"It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J) vs Gen Patton (A)

[ny59giants]

Hey Michael, do those SNLF Inf Squad 43s show up in stock or only this mod?

Only in these mods by John 3rd. I'm just his assistant in some of these decisions, but an Allied player better learn "How to Conduct a Contested Invasion" PDQ. [;)]

[ny59giants]

SE New Guinea: One mistake was waiting too long to invade and capture Port Moresby. Brian now has 28 LCUs there. He moves fighters in and out, but none this month. In a recent conversation, John 3rd urged me to go for the base. Should I??

Merauke:
P2, AF4, F3; 4.6k supply
220 AV - Assault Div, BF, Constr

Horn Island:
P2, AF6, F6; 26k supply; 2x AKE, AD
36 Oscars, 36 Judy, 62 Helen, 24 Jake, 12 Nell (recon)
310 AV - Assault Div, Air HQ, 7BF, 2AA (I noticed NO CD unit here. I'll send two from Tokyo next turn [;)])

Port Moresby:
897 AV - 10th & 16th ID, 2 Cmbt Eng, 6FA

Dobadura:
446 AV - 48th ID, 14th Army HQ, 4FA (I had overstacked PM and had a small LCU march overland to open up hexside)

Buna:
P1, AF3, F3; 7k supply with 12k unloading
84 Tojo
237 AV - Assaukt Div, 4BF, Eng, 2AA

Umboi: CD

Manus:
P2, AF2, F2; 9k supply
48 Rex
479 AV - 52 ID, 8th Army, 62 Inf Grp, large BF, CD

Milne Bay:
P3, AF6, F5; 25k supply
45 George, 24 Jake
549 AV - 52nd ID, Air HQ, 5BF, CD, 4AA

Woodlark:
AF2; 18 Mavis; 2BF

Rossel: AF1, Nav Gd, 2BF, Eng

Rabaul:
P4, AF8, F5; 18k supply & 30k fuel
45 Zero, 108 Kate, 53 Nell, 20 Irving, 45 Lily, 12 Nell (recon)
330 AV - Assault Div, 3HQs, 3BF, CD, 2Port, 3AA

[larryfulkerson]

In a recent conversation, John 3rd urged me to go for the base. Should I??

I'd say: it looks like you have prepared as much as you could have....have a go.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

SE New Guinea: One mistake was waiting too long to invade and capture Port Moresby. Brian now has 28 LCUs there. He moves fighters in and out, but none this month. In a recent conversation, John 3rd urged me to go for the base. Should I??

Merauke:
P2, AF4, F3; 4.6k supply
220 AV - Assault Div, BF, Constr

Horn Island:
P2, AF6, F6; 26k supply; 2x AKE, AD
36 Oscars, 36 Judy, 62 Helen, 24 Jake, 12 Nell (recon)
310 AV - Assault Div, Air HQ, 7BF, 2AA (I noticed NO CD unit here. I'll send two from Tokyo next turn [;)])

Port Moresby:
897 AV - 10th & 16th ID, 2 Cmbt Eng, 6FA

Dobadura:
446 AV - 48th ID, 14th Army HQ, 4FA (I had overstacked PM and had a small LCU march overland to open up hexside)

Buna:
P1, AF3, F3; 7k supply with 12k unloading
84 Tojo
237 AV - Assaukt Div, 4BF, Eng, 2AA

Umboi: CD

Manus:
P2, AF2, F2; 9k supply
48 Rex
479 AV - 52 ID, 8th Army, 62 Inf Grp, large BF, CD

Milne Bay:
P3, AF6, F5; 25k supply
45 George, 24 Jake
549 AV - 52nd ID, Air HQ, 5BF, CD, 4AA

Woodlark:
AF2; 18 Mavis; 2BF

Rossel: AF1, Nav Gd, 2BF, Eng

Rabaul:
P4, AF8, F5; 18k supply & 30k fuel
45 Zero, 108 Kate, 53 Nell, 20 Irving, 45 Lily, 12 Nell (recon)
330 AV - Assault Div, 3HQs, 3BF, CD, 2Port, 3AA

Victory disease claims another victim.[:)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

SE New Guinea: One mistake was waiting too long to invade and capture Port Moresby. Brian now has 28 LCUs there. He moves fighters in and out, but none this month. In a recent conversation, John 3rd urged me to go for the base. Should I??

Merauke:
P2, AF4, F3; 4.6k supply
220 AV - Assault Div, BF, Constr

Horn Island:
P2, AF6, F6; 26k supply; 2x AKE, AD
36 Oscars, 36 Judy, 62 Helen, 24 Jake, 12 Nell (recon)
310 AV - Assault Div, Air HQ, 7BF, 2AA (I noticed NO CD unit here. I'll send two from Tokyo next turn [;)])

Port Moresby:
897 AV - 10th & 16th ID, 2 Cmbt Eng, 6FA

Dobadura:
446 AV - 48th ID, 14th Army HQ, 4FA (I had overstacked PM and had a small LCU march overland to open up hexside)

Buna:
P1, AF3, F3; 7k supply with 12k unloading
84 Tojo
237 AV - Assaukt Div, 4BF, Eng, 2AA

Umboi: CD

Manus:
P2, AF2, F2; 9k supply
48 Rex
479 AV - 52 ID, 8th Army, 62 Inf Grp, large BF, CD

Milne Bay:
P3, AF6, F5; 25k supply
45 George, 24 Jake
549 AV - 52nd ID, Air HQ, 5BF, CD, 4AA

Woodlark:
AF2; 18 Mavis; 2BF

Rossel: AF1, Nav Gd, 2BF, Eng

Rabaul:
P4, AF8, F5; 18k supply & 30k fuel
45 Zero, 108 Kate, 53 Nell, 20 Irving, 45 Lily, 12 Nell (recon)
330 AV - Assault Div, 3HQs, 3BF, CD, 2Port, 3AA

Victory disease claims another victim.[:)]

+1

I notice at least 5 ID and 5 more of those SNLF assault divisions here!! [X(]

Supporting ops in So Pac has a real cost for Japan, and with this may units in play (not to mention in danger of being cut off easily in the next few months) the bill will be high. As I understand it this mod doesn't give any greater economic capacity to Japan, or greater ability to produce oil, correct?

I've done this as well, but learned in the end that the supply and fuel used would have been more important to keep the economy running in 45. [:)]

Second time around I'm still using too much, as it's hard not to, but i've given myself strict parameters about fort/field building, supply restrictions, fuel rations and lines I will defend and areas I won't go near. For me this is only way to remind myself that this is always an economical war first. I think your title already gets at that though. [;)]

[ny59giants]

Victory disease claims another victim. [:)]

Its been a hard thing to avoid in this game due to the multiple one sided victories I've had at sea. I've lost CVE Hosho and 7 DD vs 7 CV (4 USA and 3 Brit), 4 CVL, 4 BC, 7 BB, 15 CA, 17 CL, 2 CLAA, and 37 DD. Add in the almost total destruction of troops that start or are early reinforcement in India/Burma along with significant conquest in China. How would you deal with it, Jeff??

[ny59giants]

OK, here is a shot of the WITP Chart to show where my economy is right now.

[Zecke]

DONT KNOW NOTHING¡[>:]

pero has de saber parar las factorías cuando se debe y en función de los recursos.

[larryfulkerson]

Your Armaments pool level is up to 169K+ and I'm curious
as to what you're aiming for.

EDIT: I'd be curious to see your engine pool numbers.

[ny59giants]

Here is the Oil & Res tab from Tracker that shows what is going on in Japan.

[ny59giants]

Engines - What would you increase and/or decrease here?? This mod is based on DBB air frame data.

[ny59giants]

Here are the always important fighter production and R&D efforts. Do I need to make changes here?? Do you need more info??

[larryfulkerson]

Do you need more info??

I'm curious still about your ideal pool level for Armaments.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Victory disease claims another victim. [:)]

Its been a hard thing to avoid in this game due to the multiple one sided victories I've had at sea. I've lost CVE Hosho and 7 DD vs 7 CV (4 USA and 3 Brit), 4 CVL, 4 BC, 7 BB, 15 CA, 17 CL, 2 CLAA, and 37 DD. Add in the almost total destruction of troops that start or are early reinforcement in India/Burma along with significant conquest in China. How would you deal with it, Jeff??

I don't know, you have so many toys and I am unfamiliar with the mod. But those 20cm guns are too far forward. Luganville...who cares if that falls? In fact, you need to entice the Allies to attack there rather than planning a 7 division strike at Tavoy (well, where-ever you are weakest).


You are defending so far forward, and the Allies have almost perfect intel about your force dispositions, that really only the most inept of Allied Commanders will attack your strongpoints. They always go where you are weakest.

In this game, the Allies can't really invade anywhere big (for awhile) without luring the KB to the far side of the world and getting surprise.

The Allies are almost always only three invasions away from bombing Honshu. The initiative turns so fast...

[ny59giants]

Ok, here are locations for large CD units

[ny59giants]

Here are the locations for smaller CD units.

[Lowpe]

This game should go very deep into 1945.

Make sure your night fighters are up to snuff.

You want to make sure you get Frank R & Sam asap (I see 9/44?). Shinden and Ki83 are nice additions.

Your supplies are low. Ideally you would like to get to 6 million plus before 1945. 7 million even better.

You have turned off armaments? You will need every drop of them if you plan on fighting the Soviets which you should be.

You have repaired all your oil...good. Don't repair the refineries. Vehicles looks good. Might want to bump to 230 -- thinking about soviet fighting here eventually.

What are your merchant shipyards making? Your naval yards are huge!

Your daily ship fuel use is high.

This is a game which might be in position to pull off a NJP/Radar invasion of the Soviets. The caveat here is you are running very light on supplies so I would say no to that idea.

[ny59giants]

Weakest: I would say Java and Sumatra. Palembang, Batavia, and Soerabaja have some forces present but the rest of the islands are mostly empty. Brian has not built up any of western Australia. Japan's limited SigInt shows Sydney, Brisbane, and SoPac bases with activity. I have a division plus support at Carnarvon, a slowly expanding Exmouth, and large base at Port Hedland. In India, I have the southern portion and the islands to west. 4 Mogami Class and 8 DD at Colombo are the only surface forces over here.

Except for eastern Aleutians and SoPac, Brian hasn't shown any other points of interest....yet!

[ny59giants]

Your supplies are low. Ideally you would like to get to 6 million plus before 1945. 7 million even better.

I managed to get about 400k last month in supplies, so I hope to be headed in right direction. I think I was overdoing base building and by turning almost all of it off has helped.

Your daily ship fuel use is high.

My warships have remained mostly inactive. My merchant fleet is busy getting resources back to Japan and the oil. Don't know how to get better results here. [&:]

[ny59giants]

Getting Resources back to Japan. Brian has been very busy with his subs up here from early in the war. One reason I'm willing to fight for control of Aleutians. Don't need more subs up here! There is usually 4 subs just to east of Ominato, too.