General Billy vs Bwheatley (Ended)

[general billy]

I have a feeling it was a fluke, because basically my ships decided to go past Bataan during the day phase, when they usually go past during the night phase. Perhaps the taskforce commander freaked out because the taskforce went to Manila but didnt unload and still had their supplies. Another possible reason is that they refueled at Bataan. Im going to try to get another one through again, a small taskforce so I wont feel the pain if things go wrong like the previous turn. But Im also thinking of going in heavy this time with AK transports. One big drop with a big load of supplies and perhaps another division too, fast transport missions are also giving my ships high system damaged. Some are already touching 15 already.

[chestypuller]

Sure AK's are probably going to be better anyway. SLip in drop off alot of supplies and another division.

Are the forces starting to feel the trouble and having trouble keeping the fight up?
It sure seems like you've been able to hold manilla longer then every other opponent perhaps bwheatley didn't put enough troops into it at first.

[general billy]

@chestypuller,

Yes, my units are still holding up well and having no troubles, they on 10000/8000 supplies.



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/19/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 171389 troops, 712 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59269 troops, 315 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
365 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44318 troops, 305 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 206817 troops, 713 guns, 61 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
163 casualties reported

[general billy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/20/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 173980 troops, 721 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59716 troops, 330 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
335 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44788 troops, 315 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 217718 troops, 758 guns, 115 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
152 casualties reported

[center]Allies bombard[/center]

[general billy]

Japanese Subs comes out to play around Camranh Bay

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/21/22

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ASW attack at 34,47

Japanese Ships
SS No. 19, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Phra Ruang
DD Vivacious
DD Vendetta
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Tasmania
DD Swordsman

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ASW attack at 34,47

Japanese Ships
SS No. 19

Allied Ships
DD Southard
DD Truculent
TB Z7
SC Ch112

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Sub attack at 34,47

Japanese Ships
SS No. 19, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Torrens
DD Phra Ruang
DD Vivacious
DD Vendetta
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Tasmania
DD Swordsman
DD Success
DD Stalwart
DD Tarpon
DD Raider
DD Radstock
DD Tyrant


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 208804 troops, 778 guns, 115 vehicles

Defending force 60008 troops, 344 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
4723 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1994 casualties reported
Guns lost 28


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43805 troops, 289 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 214878 troops, 724 guns, 201 vehicles

[center]Destroyer depth charging a Japanese sub[/center]

[chestypuller]

Way to wallop his subs

But in manilla it looks like your guys might be showing signs of caving in is that the case? Whens your next force making its way through to manilla?
Screenies we want screenies

Screenies of how is garrison holding up?
Your fleet damage report.
Area around PI. Really nice with the subs did you use 25 ships in ASW to do that?

[general billy]

[center]They holding well, but supplies are starting to run out soon.[/center]

[center][/center]

[general billy]

[center]How it looks and possible plans[/center]

Manila is being sent 3 Indian divisions with supplies
Transports are loading up a number of British Brigade. Possible plans are to recapture Mindanao Island in the Phillipines.

[chestypuller]

i think its a mistake to go on the offensive so soon. But what do i know

Are you going to land at that city that looks like it is undefended? or could that just be FoW?

[general billy]

Im sending in some Indian divisions just to hold Manila for another 40 days or so until the British navy is fully operational. Then I can meet the Japs whenever I want.
Regarding my offensive, first Im going to send some small recon units first, see if the hex is undefended. It be more like hit and run tactics, with small brigades. Just to divert some of his navy and perhaps some troops to. I'm also thinking of loading up a few US divisions that are seating on the west coast to help in PI. They doing very little at the moment. Im also moving up Australian divisions to Darwin for future use.

[general billy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/22/22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 179326 troops, 743 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 58189 troops, 306 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44303 troops, 299 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 224760 troops, 780 guns, 203 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported

[Tankerace]

I hope for your sake Manila doesn't fall too soon. If it does, the whole of the SRA and India will be wide open for invasion.

[general billy]

The way the combat is looking, I think I can hold. Once I start seeing the combat odds going against me I simple plan to evacuate everything from Manila. Just like what I done with Pearl. I doubt all of Manila will surrender in one go. When the combat odds are like 2 to 1, then I will start to evacuate. Bill was saying that the reason why his doing so badly is that he doesnt have support for his troops so I guess his bringing in support and things might change. I have 3 indian divisions on route, but I think I will only send one. 3 will suck alot of supplies and I just dont have the navy to gareentee supplies yet.

[general billy]

Japanese Guns Blast Minesweepers out the water

Allies send back MSW ships to Camranh Bay from Manila but they gets blasted. Coastal guns on Bataan put allied reinforcements to Manila on hold

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/23/22

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Naval Gun Fire at Bataan (42,51) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

99 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Heron, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Avocet, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bittern, Shell hits 34, on fire, heavy damage

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TF 1014 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
MSW Bittern, and is sunk
MSW Heron, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Avocet, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
MSW Heron, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 199534 troops, 796 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59240 troops, 317 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
253 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44836 troops, 307 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 230530 troops, 809 guns, 203 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[general billy]

Every turn I get impatient, I feel I need to do somthing. I have British troops gathered in Camranh Bay, ready for war. Bill guns in Battaan is blowing every surface ship that goes past. Fast transport missions have now became a nightmare.

If I use my British/indian units I can't offord to have them get bogged down. As Tankerance said, if things goes wrong, India/SRA/ Malaya is wide open for invasion.


The US fleet is crippled and getting repaired. 5 or 6 US divisions seat on the west coast doing nothing. If there were some US BB's ok I would be able to recapture other areas i.e. Midway or wake.

What are my options.

[chestypuller]

Maybe other ships besides the MSW will do better trying to get past bataan? Are they sneaking through at the daytime. If i were you i'd go for lahania. Because he probably moved everything from Lahania to pearl since he doesnt need lahania anymore after taking pearl. That would give you a base that you can drydock in to make sure you were ok if your ships were hurt.

[Tankerace]

Now this is what I would do... maybe not a war winning strategy, but ye olde monkey wrench.

If his navy is badly beat up too, and if all of his forces are committed to the Philippines. I'd get 3 Divisions worth of troops, and put them ashore in Formosa. Not enough to take it, but if all of his assets are in Pearl and Manila, then he can't have adequate protection of his interior bases. Just land and take Takao (or Taichu), and hold there. He may have to pull out some PI troops, or abandon it altogether. That, or I would gather forces, and try and hit one of his Pacific bases, just to cause him to look away.

ORIGINAL: general billy

Every turn I get impatient, I feel I need to do somthing. I have British troops gathered in Camranh Bay, ready for war. Bill guns in Battaan is blowing every surface ship that goes past. Fast transport missions have now became a nightmare.

If I use my British/indian units I can't offord to have them get bogged down. As Tankerance said, if things goes wrong, India/SRA/ Malaya is wide open for invasion.


The US fleet is crippled and getting repaired. 5 or 6 US divisions seat on the west coast doing nothing. If there were some US BB's ok I would be able to recapture other areas i.e. Midway or wake.

What are my options.

[general billy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/24/22

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Naval Gun Fire at Bataan (42,51) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DM Rizal, Shell hits 1

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TF 1018 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51) - Coastal Guns Fire
Back!

37 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Finch, Shell hits 29, on fire, heavy damage

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TF 1018 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
MSW Finch, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33

Allied Ships
DM Rizal
DM Hart


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 208124 troops, 827 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59754 troops, 333 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
271 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 45148 troops, 320 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 233098 troops, 828 guns, 205 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[general billy]

ORIGINAL: chestypuller

Maybe other ships besides the MSW will do better trying to get past bataan? Are they sneaking through at the daytime. If i were you i'd go for lahania. Because he probably moved everything from Lahania to pearl since he doesnt need lahania anymore after taking pearl. That would give you a base that you can drydock in to make sure you were ok if your ships were hurt.

Hmm, those MSW ships done ok going in to Manila but they got hammared going out back to Camranh Bay. They seem to be going past bataam during the night, at full speed, with no refuel on but are still getting hit I guess they might be clearing mines on route.
I tried again with some DM's they were kind of sucessful with only one managed to get a shell hit. I think Im going to take another risk and fast transport. Another possible reason is that when Bill brought in his coastal guns they had high fatigue, now that they fatigue is down they scoreing hits on my ships. I guess I have to find out.

[general billy]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Now this is what I would do... maybe not a war winning strategy, but ye olde monkey wrench.

If his navy is badly beat up too, and if all of his forces are committed to the Philippines. I'd get 3 Divisions worth of troops, and put them ashore in Formosa. Not enough to take it, but if all of his assets are in Pearl and Manila, then he can't have adequate protection of his interior bases. Just land and take Takao (or Taichu), and hold there. He may have to pull out some PI troops, or abandon it altogether. That, or I would gather forces, and try and hit one of his Pacific bases, just to cause him to look away.

I think attacking formosa looks like a good idea. Hope there aint any units or worst, coastal defenses in Taichi. I can also pick up british units in Shanghai aswell. Only problem Formosa is pretty close to Japan. He can bring every ship from Japan to intercept my transport ships at full speed. Pecasroes is a big threat, I have a feeling he has his navy there.

hmm... If I go in heavy , with alot of units. I think I be able to take all of formosa if he dont pull units out of Manila.

I was also thinking of just landing a big force at Lagaspi and just fighting my way up to Manila. I be using every British unit I can grab.