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23rd Dec 43

I still suck as a player.

Burma
I have over 2,500 AV in the hex south of Taung Gyi.  I am going to try a deliberate attack and see what happens.

Saumlaki
I won't forget this place.  Our troops take it, Jap troops are still in the hex, I will attack again tomorrow.  My CVs just might make it to Darwin.  By the end of the turn tomorrow they should be 1 hex away.  I did lose 2 CAs and a DD battling a 3 BB Jap SAG while covering the withdraw of the CVs.  No Jap ships were sunk.  That sucked but oh well.

Ok guys, time to tell me what all I did wrong.  I know it took me to long to attack.  I should of known that Koniu would of brought every CV in the Jap arsenal.  I should of put all my CVs in one TF.  What else did I do wrong.  Also lets start talking about where I go from here. 

Japs need oil. I could prep and send everything to DEI when I get some power back.  Try the N home islands.  Charge down Burma or into China.  These are all options.  I might even be able to go thru CENTPAC later on.   Start talking.  No more lurking in the shadows.  I need help.

Sacrificing those CAs and DD might have saved your CVs. A very good trade IMO. [:)]

I´m not much more experienced then you are but here is my take on what went wrong. As you say it simply took too long to get into position and koniu had time to get everything in place. Since you were unable to get into such a position where you could do the invasion in 2-3 days it put you at a disadvantage from the beginning. Personally I would have scrapped the invasion when it was spotted already around Horn Island. There were several things working against you.

-While you had almost CV parity against the KB (including your CVEs) you not only have to cover your own CVs but also the Ampibs which is a distinct disadvantage.

-You had no aid from LBA while koniu had.

I always try and aim for a 2 day invasion. On D1 you are spotted. D2 you land and on D3 you are gone. Not easily done and requires a bit of help from the weather gods.

Its still to early to call the operation a failure though. You did get the troops in place and now have a solid base to expand from. If you manage to expand from that small bridgehead it would be a tactical defeat but a strategic win. As you say the oil is absolutely critical and you will soon get the first batch of B29s. With an allied foothold at Saumlaki you have very much but a knife against the Japanese throat.

Koniu will now have to divert a lot of assets (probably including the KB) to keep you pinned in place. This will open up other areas for you. Just try to keep the pressure up in the area so he can´t guard you with just a token force. You have 4 bases in the DEI now. Build them up to a solid platform from which to can expand. Where you want to go is Timor and its TWO level 9 AFs. This should be perfectly doable under LBA if you can get the bases built up.

I would look to open up a second front somewhere a couple of days sailing from the DEI. Force koniu to make the hard choices and divide his forces. GJ showed the error of an allied single vector advance when he smacked Q-ball around for a year.

If you can get those bases built up koniu is in big problems and it would make the losses worth it. Or at least not have made them in vain.

You are doing better then you think you are! You are playing against an excellent player and that is a big challenge. You have foothold in the DEI and its not even 44 yet! How can that not be good?! [:)]
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....and remember, God is represented here as a six sided anomaly.
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Koniu is an excellent player.  Thanks for the info Joc.  I will have to sit down and look around.
 
24th Dec 43
 
China
My units trying to sneak behind Taung Gyi has been spotted.  I will have to send them back to Burma.
 
Burma
My attack dosent go so well.  We lose 6k worth of men to about 1k of Japs.
 
N Oz
Bunker Hill has FLT damage jump to 89 she is one hex away from Bathurst Island.  I will stop her there for some repairs, if she makes it. Some of the KB is above Ambon.
 
Still love this game. 
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Did Essex make it?
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Joc:  Yes the Essex made it.  The Bunker Hill was 1 hex away from Bathurst with 89 float on cruise speed.  She jumped like 30 points on the last turn, I hope she can make one hex without sinking.  Both ships have lest than 40 major damage of all types.
 
Burma
I am going to start pushing things in Burma. Taung Gyi will receive some sweeps in the near future then bombing missions.  I have 100 P47s, 100 P38s, 64 Spit VIIs, 36 F4s and other fighters in Burma. Taung Gyi had 125 fighters last turn.  I was thinking of LRCAPing 1 P47s squadron with the rest sweeping.  Maybe not all the groups but a good portion. After the fighters are gone, start bombing the AF to get at his supply.  His supply has to be hit or miss by now.  I am also thinking of bring up some troops to Magwee and then moving down the road next to the river.  This way I won't have to cross the river.
 
I have 1 Indian ID with 2 Indian BDEs prepping for the island west of Rangoon.  I am moving ships into theater, might be awhile.  I will have some American units prepping for Moulmein.  I am hoping to be able to get some units on the yellow road that runs towards Chang Mai.  I know he spotted my units trying to sneak in from China.  If I can get units on this road I will force him to move units to counter them.
 
Timor AO
I still have units prepping and move for targets in the Timor region.  I need to find out if the KB or part of it is still in the area. I am going to try and send some Engs and BFs to Babar and the other islands I hold around Saumlaki.  I am also eyeing a few bases on the coast of New Guinea that are still in my control but have no troops.  Some ships are at pier side repairing from the last battle. 
 
East coast of New Guinea
I am moving troops around with intentions of making some moves but it will be hard with no CV support.  Shortlands, Manus are high on my list but may have to wait.
 
Cent Pac
Troops are prepping for various bases.
 
I am trying to figure out where I should go.  I am thinking one massive invasion of Sumatra at some point in 44.  If I land and don't get kicked out, I can interdict and bomb his oil supplies.  This will hurt him in 45 and 46.  I will also make moves in Cent Pac and other areas.  So he can't keep the KB in the DEI.  If he does great.  I'll move in other areas.
 
I could cut down to Bangkok or Canton (China) and have bombers and search planes flying for his oil convoys.  Until he reroutes them.
 
Nor Pac
He has built this area up pretty well.  I don't know what he has stationed there though.
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26th Dec 43



China

Japs bomb my small units trying to sneak into Burma



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We sweep Taungy Gyi. Not bad screen shot below.



N Oz

Bunker Hill sinks.


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26th Dec 43



China

Japs bomb my small units trying to sneak into Burma



Burma

We sweep Taungy Gyi. Not bad screen shot below.



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Bunker Hill sinks.


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I just checked on my air groups destroyed...........[X(]. I thought I was short naval aviation squadrons.
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Alright Joe, There needs to be some cheer in here! Perhaps Ann can help.


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Don't make keep posting period porn in here!
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When was the baby due? He hasn´t been logged on since the 23rd!
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AH HA!! passing cigars.......but I thought the event had already happened......&^%$ getting old......sigh
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May 14th is the expected date of Ava Brooke guys.
 
I haven't posted due to personal issues and not feeling like it.  I am fighting that downward spiral and game depression.  I will try and post some but I expect to get interrupted before I can get a full post in.
 
Jan 4th 44
 
KB still around Truk
 
Burma
Did a DA on Taung Gyi.  We lose around 1,200 and japs lose around 600 troops.  Other than that nothing much has changed.
 
Timor AO
Babar is being built up.  Took a beating on a Jap sweep several days back.  Lost some LSTs and a few LCIs along with 2 DDs.  The Japs lost a DD.  We have sunk a few xAKs by sub and by bombers.  1 AO sunk another damaged by a sub.
 
Marshalls
AFs are closed due to Naval bombardments.  Lost some more LSTs here also.  I had an amphib op going against Roi Namur, but it was spotted 2 days before it could land, so I aborted it.  KB showed up 3 days later.
 
I don't think that I will be able to win the game maybe a draw.  If I am to win I will have to do some big moves.  So I am thinking about where and when.  I am thinking about DEI and maybe Northern HIs.
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Hang in there. It will turn eventually. [:)]
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I hope but I still wonder.  Reading your AAR and when you had that last CV battle and everyone told you that you where done.  It hit me that damn I'm done too.
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Your lucky your back or the AAR would look like the wall in the head at Hiva oa. [:D] Damn it! Joe, I only have Lexington, repairing well but stuck in a lagoon months from combat and Hornet, one day from her refit. She has no planes. Everything from scratch rebuilding her groups, I hesitate to look at the pools. I've done well with army air forces but may have neglected the marines and navy. I should get a turn tonight and we'll see. I can dig walking away for a breather. The game is ridiculously consuming. I think I saved about three thousand dollars on restaurants and happy hours last .......
 
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I hope but I still wonder.  Reading your AAR and when you had that last CV battle and everyone told you that you where done.  It hit me that damn I'm done too.

I´m far from done. A lot of people are too loss averse. Ships are tools to be used and sometimes they sink. As long as they do that for a purpose I´m fine with it. You just have to make sure yours didn´t sink in vain. You have a foothold in the DEI. Thats a game changing event. Losing a couple of CVs isn´t.

Hang in there! [:)]
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7th Jan 44
 
Jap CVs around Truk
 
Burma
Has been quiet.  Tomorrow it will get loud.  I learned from the first sweep of Taung Gyi that Koniu will bring in more fighters after I sweep.  I can't go fighter to fighter with him.  So I have to risk this operation.  200 fighters will sweep, hopefully before the bombers go in.  Almost 100 4Es with 150 escort fighters.  32 2Es will go in during the night.  I hope to shut down the AF or atleast damage it enough to hamper his operations.
 
Timor AO
Jap CL TF raids Saumlaki and sinks a bunch of PT boats.  Georges sweep Babar and get the short end of the stick.  67 are shot down for only 15 of mine.  I landed a NBF at the dot base south of Saumlaki.  I will start to build up this base with the others.
 
Marshalls
Naval bombardment TFs hit Wotje and Maloelap.  I lose a bunch of SBDs attacking one of the BB TF with air cover from CVs.  I also lose a bunch of PTs here also.  It looks like Roi Namur's AFs are open again.  I will have to shut it down again.   Subs are now in position around these islands and more are on the way.
 
Still looking for ideas of future ops guys.  Come on you guys have some ideas.
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most involve nylons at this time of the evening.[;)]
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Re request for future suggestions, could we have screenshots of all the theatres plus data on what is in situ for both sides?
 
Far too often Allied players are impatient to send in bombers.  Hoping to get a sweep in before the bombers strike on the same day, is not the way to gain air superiority.  Without air superiority, bombers will always be subject to enemy CAP.
 
Sometimes, not attempting to blast an enemy airfield back to the stone age is good tactics.  Leaving an enemy airfield heavily overloaded can be beneficial too.
 
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