"The Better Team" - Allied Perspective

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Michael,

You go first then me. Since you have the initial focus for evacs while I delay in Malaysia. If India and or China become a focus area we can discuss a change in future priorities.

So PPs go for the PI first and then the DEI? I can pull from Malaysia without them. The only other thing I would need them for is to send extra troops from China.

Also is it a good idea to use them in the DEI to move base forces around to the big resource centers to increase the chances of damage during their eventual capture?

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Also is it a good idea to use them in the DEI to move base forces around to the big resource centers to increase the chances of damage during their eventual capture?

You can ship those 2 BF and 2 Infantry from the west side of Sumatra to reinforce Palembang or go to Java (after paying PP cost). You can unload them at the southern tip of Sumatra (I don't have the game up now) and march them to Palembang.

I use the Dutch transport and/or patrol planes to start pulling the MAF Aviation and the three ISF BF from Singapore to Palembang (transport planes) or to Batavia (patrol planes) for shipping. Once you have to fall all the way back into Singapore, you will have excessive aviation support, so start getting it out. If you want to get out any Infantry Bde, I try to get the most of one rather than a little from a few as the replacement rate for British, Indian, or CW rifle squads is not that great.
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You can ship those 2 BF and 2 Infantry from the west side of Sumatra to reinforce Palembang or go to Java (after paying PP cost). You can unload them at the southern tip of Sumatra (I don't have the game up now) and march them to Palembang.

Thats along the lines of my thinking.

Regarding the replacement rates... Is it different than stock? I had good success against John getting snippets of all units out and letting them grow. Gave a little extra oomph to the counter-offensive. This scenario did not include an invasion of India and a fairly static Burma front.



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Turn 1 sent back to John. So here we GO!!!!!


Turn 1 very quick for me as it was mostly moving Dutch subs and exploring the map.
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The American Admiral is getting ready to retire for the night. [>:]

Operational Plans:
North Pacific - I will start by reinforcing Kodiak and Cold Bay. Then move over to Dutch Harbor and Umnak Island. I will build up fort levels and try to remain stealthy by not building up port or AF. Most of the bases are mtn hexes, so I get that bonus and will use forts and prep levels.

Central Pacific - I will focus the main effort here. First priority is the Hawaiian Islands. Second is the Line Islands (Palmyra and Christmas Is.). My 2 CV were ordered to rendezvous 180 west of Johnson Island at full speed. I gently reminded my esteem partner to plan for only one naval movement phase on the first turn. Thus, my CVs were planned to move only 6 hexes and had their home port changed to Johnson to keep their distance less than 20 hexes. Sara will leave San Diego to join the others.

South Pacific - Not much for the near future. I will "try" to hold unto the corner (Pago Pago and neighbors), but will plan to fall back to French Polynesia. Overall, I just want a semi-secure LOC to Australia and NZ.

Due to past experiences with American CVs in early '42 (all that have been sunk are around Suva) , I tend to keep them all together in a CV TF with about 12 ships each (1 CV, 2 or 3 CA, 1 CL, & 6 or 7 DDs).
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Michael,

South of Rabaul through the Solomons, Santa Cruz, New Hebrides & New Caledonia there are no units. I know you like falling back in the beginning, but a little protection here could make it a little harder for the IJN. As a Japanese player I love running down here and capturing bases within a month or two. And a good place for an ambush.

I think Nemo's game V me really shows what can happen with a good posture in the Aleutians, and something I'm glad you are taking. I know John also sees the value of these Islands so watch out - although maybe not something he will do during the Winter phase. I tried the hail Mary pass to Kodiac if you remember, this could have worked, had I brought more.

Still there are opportunities for the Allies ...

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You should have some units in Panama City that can be "bought" and set to Papete and the surrounding islands. These are you best bet to get some sort of semblance of a defense there. You have so little in Bib B to start with. In my game (now May 1943), I ceded most of the SoPac. I didn't even try to defend Samoa or New Caledonia until I could get a large enough force to hold it. Fortunately you get oodles and I mean oodles of SeaBee units very quickly. I defended Midway with what I would call a passive defense: CD, mines, and PT's. I fended off an attack and took out the South Sea detachment in my battle here in early 1942 (need to check the date as it was a while ago).

In China, check where you Chinese Labor BTN's are located. These guys can build forts pretty fast. You will need to concede Wuchow and Nanchang at first but should be able to put up a stout defense in the Changsha/Hengchow area. This is where my game has stalemated now for the better part of a year and that is fine by me because I hate China.
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South of Rabaul through the Solomons, Santa Cruz, New Hebrides & New Caledonia there are no units. I know you like falling back in the beginning, but a little protection here could make it a little harder for the IJN. As a Japanese player I love running down here and capturing bases within a month or two. And a good place for an ambush.

I plan to send my first shipment of fuel to Papaete to use to refuel my CVs. Then I will rely on my AOs to keep them going. I had to decide whether to have my 2 CVs head north towards Dutch Harbor or south towards Canton Island. I would like to defend New Caledonia, but what can be sent there needs to be able to receive reinforcements. Paul (Wolfpack) is in charge of Australia, so I don't know what plans he has with their surface fleet.
I think Nemo's game V me really shows what can happen with a good posture in the Aleutians, and something I'm glad you are taking. I know John also sees the value of these Islands so watch out - although maybe not something he will do during the Winter phase. I tried the hail Mary pass to Kodiac if you remember, this could have worked, had I brought more.

The Aleutians are ALWAYS a major theater of operations with Nemo regardless of what side he plays. [:D] You failed to take into account the combat modifications of attacking there in Winter (reduces attacks by 1/3, I think) and the mtn hex bonus (x4). So few players are active in this theater that things are overlooked. If Kodiak had fallen to you, most of Alaska would have been at risk.
You should have some units in Panama City that can be "bought" and set to Papaete and the surrounding islands. These are you best bet to get some sort of semblance of a defense there.

I have 3 Inf Rgt at Panama that will probably go to French Polynesia. I will send a BF to each base and start building forts. I do this to be stealthy. Plus, I like to get an AF close to the next level and then stop it. Then, if an emergency comes up, I can restart the expansion and have it done within 2 days.

I will make a list of each American region and start planning what LCUs will go where. I also start to prep that unit for that base even if it doesn't ship out from the WC for weeks. Some Canadian Infantry will head for the Aleutians while their BF head for French Polynesia. This will not earn me any friends from their infantry, but plenty of love from the BF guys! [;)]

We have received the 001 file and reports. The game file will be out later today. Then comes the forming of about 300 TF (lots of single ships running the gauntlet).
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Psych warfare? Did I hear someone call my name? [8D]
 
Seriously though --- I don't think John is "hyper-aggressive". More aggressive than the norm perhaps but not hyper-aggressive. I think that you are more likely to see a concentration on the logistical underpinnings necessary for succesful offensive action than you are to see a hyper-aggressive series of strikes into your operational or strategic depth. This has several massively important strategic consequences for you:
 
1. He is likely to allow you to choose your line of defence ( due to the fact that he will gather his forces, prep them and then ship them to their targets --- all of which takes time when compared to an approach which is happy to avoid preparation and pre-invasion concentration of force ).
 
2. He is unlikely to venture into your strategic depth at all and your operational depth only rarely.
 
3. The above set him up to be vulnerable to an avowedly attritional strategy. Since he will give you time to ship troops to crucial areas and then will be loathe to bypass them he will fight where you choose --- hence attritional approaches being viable.
 
4. I think his likelihood of going for Oz or India is almost zero. On the other hand a good sharp strike into his strategic bowels in the middle or end of 42 ought to catch him off guard.
 
 
Overall though I think that points 1 to 3 contains the genesis of the Japanese team's defeat. If John is the most aggressive of the two then I think it bodes ill for them as committees always tend to moderate more towards less aggression than towards more.
 
As Allies I would simply pick some points which would be his Phase 2 targets ( let Phase 1 targets fall almost unopposed --- phase 1 being the first month of fighting ) and reinforce them with everything I had. I think that he'll come to you and so long as your supporting/flanking and rearward bases aren't dreadfully weak he isn't going to bypass deeply IMO.
 
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Prep for an early invasion of the marshalls if he goes west with his KB.
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AIR RAIDS!!!! Again, we haven't gotten the game file yet, just reports and 001 file.
Edited as I have now run the Combat Replay.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41
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ASW attack at 43,48

Japanese Ships
DD Wakaba
DD Hatsushima
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsuharu

Allied Ships
SS S-36, hits 1

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Day Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 24,45

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-48 Lily x 51
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 6

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
10 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 24,45

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3
Ki-15 Babs x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Georgetown , at 23,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 34
Ki-15 Babs x 2

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 19 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 22,51

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 99

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 15 destroyed, 43 damaged [:)]

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
Vildebeest IV: 5 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 3 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed
Buffalo I PR: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 28

Aircraft Attacking: I don't know who changed them down to this altitude, but they can do it again!
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
14 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
10 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
8 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
1 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 43,59 I think someone wants my B-17s out of the way

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 24

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 It seems that mini-KB is off the west coast of Luzon (120 miles due west). I identified CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, and CVE Taiyo (CVL Ryujo was missing).

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 5
B5N Kate x 44
F1M2 Pete x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 15 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied Ships
AV Langley, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS Salmon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Snapper, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Sealion, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Permit, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Porpoise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 CV Soryu & CV Hiryu are off the east coast (180 miles due east). They are using the HR that allows only carrier bases port attacks. Someone on their side does not want all those subs running around. [8|] I will need to see how badly damaged my subs are (4 were sunk), but most will try to make Soerabaja before heading to southern Australia for complete repairs.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
D3A Val x 36
B5N Kate x 36

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 6 destroyed

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Pope, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 1
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-40, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Peary, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1
MSW Quail, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 1
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AS Holland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AS Pigeon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Anakan, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
17 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
G3M Nell x 67
G4M1 Betty x 66
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1
P-35A x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 4
P-40B Tomahawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 6 destroyed
P-35A: 16 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 9 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 5 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 44
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 232 OUCH!!

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
7 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
14 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
7 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72 The question is always how long he plans to stay here. 2 or 3 days seems to be the norm. Only CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Shokaku, & CV Zuikaku made the trip. Is this an indication that they will not be that aggressive in the eastern Pacific??

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 68
D3A Val x 99
B5N Kate x 107

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
P-36A Mohawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A Val: 8 destroyed, 39 damaged
B5N Kate: 12 destroyed, 21 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 8 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 25 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 6 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 4 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships NO torpedo hits!!
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6
BB California, Bomb hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AS Pelias, Bomb hits 1
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
DD Selfridge, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1
DM Pruitt, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1
PT PT-28, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 3, on fire
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported

Airbase hits 27
Runway hits 72

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
14 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
16 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
22 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
26 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 29
Ki-30 Ann x 27
Ki-51 Sonia x 21
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Ki-36 Ida x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 5 destroyed, 13 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 11 damaged

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-21 Sally x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,52

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 1
F1M2 Pete x 14

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 11000 feet
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Naval bombardment of Guam, at 63,66

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba

Allied ground losses:
474 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 17
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 9

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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66

Japanese ground losses:
366 casualties reported

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TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Batan Islands, 46,47

Japanese ground losses:
369 casualties reported

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TF 167 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 45,49

Japanese ground losses:
722 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22535 troops, 254 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 493

Defending force 12088 troops, 112 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 197

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 7

Japanese max assault: 542 - adjusted assault: 984

Allied max defense: 189 - adjusted defense: 1666

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7)

Japanese ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

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Ground combat at Batan Islands

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1644 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 93

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 146 - adjusted assault: 75

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 75 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batan Islands base !!!


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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila

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One thing that I realized can help save some of the crippled planes in the first turns are is you can move
damaged planes via rail. For example, you can move the planes at clark field (given the damage, you will not be able to repair them) to Manila or to Bataan.. Obviously from Bataan you can not attack. But you can repair and fly to safer bases rather quickly.  Can also be done in malaysia...Move highly damaged air units to an unattacked base like Jahore
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If I had enough BF and/or Aviation Rgt, the Allies could make life difficult for the Japanese by moving LBA around and conducting hit and run attacks. I sent most of the LBA on Luzon to the few bases there that were not attacked and some into the island bases. With 2 extra CVs in the area, I have my work cut out for me.
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I do not have any ships in danger of sinking.

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I had 4 subs sink and have 4 more with float damage over 50%. I am going to unlock the gate and let the thundering herd head south towards Soerabaja. Since there are 2 more CVs off the coast, I expect the carnage to continue. [:(]

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The usual damage was done to my P-40s. The Japanese losses were higher than expected due to them setting bombing altitude at 5000. I hope they do it again as the surprise bonus is gone.

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A quick thought after I sent my turn over to Paul for completion. There were no Japanese subs around Hawaii and few spotted on the map this turn. I have a hunch that they used the first turn bonus to significantly relocate these forces to form hunter/killer packs (1 Glen sub plus fleet subs) in the shipping lanes. I think we shall see this in a few days. 
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RE: Air Losses

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I would suggest forming TFs out of the damaged subs but keep them docked at Manila. They should be able to repair their flot damage nicely while being safe from a follow-up port attack.

The surface ships are likely toast though whatever you do.

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RE: Air Losses

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Working on the turn. A couple questions. Am I responsible for the ground for Austrailia Command? Also what do you want done with the AD Black Hawk at Balikpanpan. Its a US ship so I figured you would want it.
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RE: Air Losses

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Working on the turn. A couple questions. Am I responsible for the ground for Austrailia Command? Also what do you want done with the AD Black Hawk at Balikpanpan. Its a US ship so I figured you would want it.


For now, except for those TF that I have formed up to head back to USA, Australia is all yours.

The AD I will send to Perth and eventually Sydney later. I usually send the extra Dutch repair ships to Australia. An AS to Perth, any more to Melbourne (I repair subs there) and extra ARs to Sydney. I expect Soerabaja to be hit within a week now that he has extra CVs.
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