US Artillery in WWII: 105mm firing rate

[Hellmann]

So why do you put up with having morons like Yoozername on your site? it's like the moderation here is non existent

[Yoozername]

This guy must be a kid or someones sock-puppet.

[Hellmann]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

This guy must be a kid or someones sock-puppet.

Sock puppet? That's rich coming from the sock puppet meister haha! And "kid"? That's a horrible term, so you classify anyone under your age as a goat now? I'm thinking that you must be Israeli... or at least from JEW York, as everyone else is clearly the Goyim under you?

[Yoozername]

ORIGINAL: Hellmann

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

This guy must be a kid or someones sock-puppet.

Sock puppet? That's rich coming from the sock puppet meister haha! And "kid"? That's a horrible term, so you classify anyone under your age as a goat now? I'm thinking that you must be Israeli... or at least from JEW York, as everyone else is clearly the Goyim under you?

Nice

[Hellmann]

Nice? Is that seriously all you can say? Typical. I'm calling you out losername. You're nothing.

[Ratzki]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I would think the 88, when firing at near vertical elevations (AA) would not exhibit this obviously unwanted angular motion.  Mostly because gravity is not effecting the long parallel hanging off like a beam.  'Accuracy' is not that much of an issue when shooting AA.  88s would fire into a 'box' and the fleet of bombers would have to keep formation and fly through it.

When firing AT, I would almost guartantee that angular motion seen in the videos is going to change the range of the high velocity shot.  It needs to dampen out before the next round.  And that second video shows some fast firing. 
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It was a little tough to tell in some of the clips if the 88 was on it's wheels or if the bogies were removed. In an AT role, was the 88 always set up differently then it would be in an AA role? The on clip were the gun was firing while on it's wheels had much more barrel action after the shot.

The fast loading would imply that the gun was capable of some serious rates of fire, but there is no way to tell if they are firing at another vehicle or area firing in a direct role. It would be nice to see some AT firing with clips showing some follow-up shots to see what the rate of fire was in the clip.

Does the 88mm have the same motion when a Tiger fires off a round?

[morganbj]

The asylum must have an early release program for their prepubescent clientele. [8|]

[dieseltaylor]

I am curious how burts fire is managed in games. The theorretical fire rate of a Sherman75mm is 20 ish which has no practical application other than if you were trying to knockdown a large building not too far away. If you are trying to nail another vehicle at 1500metres then your rate of fire should be very much lower. What seems to happen is an average fire rate is chosen no matter what the circumstance.

BTW Sherman 105mm could fire 4* in 30 seconds but over ten minute sowuld be expected to fire 30. * I imagine these would be the rounds stored to hand.

[Mad Russian]

What do you mean by "burts fire"?

Good Hunting.

MR

[Erik Rutins]

Hellman, Yoozername,

Formal warning to both of you. Personal attacks are not allowed here. If you continue this you'll get a vacation from the forum to review the rules.

Everyone, please keep the discussion friendly and civil and leave any baggage from other places behind when you come here.

Regards,

- Erik

[dieseltaylor]

Sorry should have been burst fire. What I mean is a a very high rate of fire that can be achieved. Hence the Sherman 105mm example. For instance the four rounds of 105mm fired quickly could demolish a house and provide a dust cloud [ assuming its brick built] within a minute.  Or if the commander is firing for an effect and observation he may fire one or two rounds in the minute.

Unfortunately we cannot easily get gun cammanders to change much the rate of fire which tends to an average rate in the games I have seen. Perhaps it is possible that the AI has a situational awareness and does increase RoF if the target is dangerous and the range nakes missing unlikely! ?  I do not know. Only an observation really.

[Mobius]

Maybe a number of guns had that barrel jump.
Here it possibly is in the 17 pdr.

Ordnance Board Investigation No. 659, Dec '44, referring to
"17 pdr on Land Service mounting firing AP." The paper goes on to say
that the error in accuracy was primarily due to poor ballistics, that
is, erratic flight path. The paper supposes this may have been caused by
projectile yaw brought on by excessive clearance between projectile body
and gun bore, and/or by muzzle vibration while firing. The paper urges
that the innaccuracy of the 17 pdr be investigated.

[Yoozernamemember]

ORIGINAL: dieseltaylor

Sorry should have been burst fire. What I mean is a a very high rate of fire that can be achieved. Hence the Sherman 105mm example. For instance the four rounds of 105mm fired quickly could demolish a house and provide a dust cloud [ assuming its brick built] within a minute.  Or if the commander is firing for an effect and observation he may fire one or two rounds in the minute.

Unfortunately we cannot easily get gun cammanders to change much the rate of fire which tends to an average rate in the games I have seen. Perhaps it is possible that the AI has a situational awareness and does increase RoF if the target is dangerous and the range nakes missing unlikely! ?  I do not know. Only an observation really.

I believe a sherman 105mm could fire 4+ rounds a minute easily.

The only issue I see with firing rates greater than that is the amount of smoke that can be created inside the turret. If you look at the video of the 105mm Priest firing, the smoke that is expelled backwards is evident. The M4 sherman 105mm fired on supercharge, if I recall correctly, and would also generate similar propellent smoke. The stuff is noxious and if not evacuated, would present a problem in an enclosed space.

In any case, I also believe that ready-rounds and the use of 'engagement-fire' tactics should be modeled.

As far as what a 105mm sherman can do, please see this website regarding the battle of Singling.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/ ... ngling.htm

edit: and yes my account was corrupted so I signed up as a member.