43 Grand Campaign AAR - Allies

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Italy
12th AF goes out for a Hail Mary. Everything that they can put up (128 B24 Liberators) are going to the cap 10 DB plant at Graz. All the other stuff is rail attacks and the Fiat plant at Naples just to give him something else to think about. There are plenty of escorts out across the Adriatic, and there will be plenty to bring them home but if he has anything on the coast of Yugoslavia or around Vienna they could get hurt a little. Of course, just like Stuttgart, if they get the target I really don't care if I lose them all. Avalanche targeting restrictions will start soon and then they aren't very useful anyway

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Hi Creeper. Glad to see you are still around.

Hi Curt,

yes, I like your game with Turner very much!
I have learned a lot because of your and Turner's comments.
Thanks again and I hope you both will continue this game till it's end!

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Wow what a turn. Losses were extreme at 144 for the Germans and 165 for the allies.

The Hail Mary went for a touchdown. I lost 17 liberators to take out 10 points worth of engine factory. That's a big win in anybody's book!

However; on the European front, Nick managed to time it perfectly. He hit with all his Air Force just after the spits turn home. That left only my high-value escorts to fight the entire German Air Force. If you look at the losses you'll notice that I lost 45 fortresses and about 15 marauders and only took out about Tiffy of his frontline fighters. Almost all of my fighter losses were in this fight. That's a bad exchange ratio.

I damaged most of the targets somewhat, but having eight bomb groups that didn't fly didn't help. They will all have to be bombed again. I just need to work on the escort patterns, so as not to get hurt so bad. This would have been a massively good turn. If I had given as good as I got on the trip to the Ruhr.

The Tiffys did their usual good job of taking out all of their minor targets. They got all three chemical plants and both of the oil storage.

The results in Italy show that the Italian Air Force is no longer combat worthy. I have at least accomplished that part of my plan. Even their better planes accomplished very little on this turn.

The railyard at Potenza took 67 damage, according to the messages, but is still only showing 22 damage on the recon report. They've got to have some kind of deception system working there.



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Bomber command had a real good night. I tried an interesting maneuver. The main raid going into Stuttgart was preceded by five Pathfinder units that marked the engine plants on the way into the target. The bombers that got lost thus had something to aim at, which was a high-value target. As recon is not updated from night bombing. I don't know for sure how effective it was. But the messages show that there were a half a dozen bomb loads dropped between the two engine plants. I really really want to see recon for those engine plants.

Stuttgart got hit hard with every bomb load, but three on target and two of those three Engine plants. It was enough to increase my terror bombing score to nine.

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Turn 7 planning: England

No plan here. Clouds at 85% at low-level.

Italy

The heavies are tired from the long trip north but everybody else is raring to go. So, I am sending one group of B25s from each of 12th air force bases on Sicily to the railroads at Pescara just to drag all of the escorts up there so they can play with the Italians. I'm not taking any significant losses against the Italians, so it's really just a live fire exercise.

I'm beginning the attacks on his troop units to prep for Avalanche. The trip to the railyard at Bari is to clear the way for my recon.

All around, a very lite turn.

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Turn 7 results.

Losses were light on both sides. The bomber boys didn't do to well and both targets will need hit again.

The troop attacks scored several AA and some tanks and artillery. I know this from the messages but my recon is just silly. I am pretty sure that the replacement rate for tanks and artillery is 2 of each per turn. If you kill 8 and he gets back 2 it is kind of silly for the recon guys to say he has 25 more than he had before.



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This is the fun one. Look at the EFacs. 122.3 Engine output. And that number includes anything that is in change delay. If he changed over 60 engine factories he could be getting less than 70 engines a turn. That won't come close to covering losses if I can keep up the tempo.

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Not anything special here. I still can't figure out how the air superiority number works.

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Turn 8 England.

Turner is sure quick with the turns. I haven't got the plan up and he has already finished it.

Anyway, my P38Hs and P47d-6s are at the ragged edge of acceptable moral after the huge fight on turn 6. The Mustang Is are back in shape but by themselves are just targets. They will keep the bomber destroyers busy but not much else. I have 12 B17 groups in good shape and more that should be ready tomorrow but I don't have the escorts to do much.

All that considered and with Avalanche targeting starting this turn I decided to see how much ground equipment I could kill. Pretty much every troop unit along the channel coast gets a Tiffy visit. 12th panzer (left of Paris) gets hit by 120 Tiffys at 6:30 then a bunch of spits at 9:30. Under cover of that Bailly oil, the chem and the avionics next to Paris will get a visit.

To the east the oil storage and port that got missed in Amsterdam also get a little love.

There have only been 7 days to build up a stockpile of tanks, artillery, and AA gun replacements and I have been taking out AA every day. I am wondering if it is possible to break the gustav line by bombing the channel coast. [:)]

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In Italy I have tons of escorts but not much bombers. The b24s are not quite ready for a major mission (and avalanche started so there is not really a major mission for them to do). I really want to take out Foggia Rail but clouds cover it all day except a 30 minute gap around 12:30. Trying to hit a hole that small in the clouds 8 hours ahead is not really feasible. So I sent 2 sqds of B26s to Benevento and drug all the P38s and Spit 8s up there. 3 fighter sweeps (p47s) are going into the airfield at Villa Literno. He has 75 fighters there.

in the south there are 15 fighter bombing missions to 29 Panzer Grenadier. A couple of mediums go to the panzer unit (can't remember off the top of my head which one it is). And 3 fighter bombing missions to unoccupied airfields to beat up the AA before he can move it.

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I have the results from this turn already but I am tired so I will cover that tomorrow.
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You must have a great meteorologist on your staff![:)] How do you know when and where the clouds are going to be?[&:]

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You must have a great meteorologist on your staff![:)] How do you know when and where the clouds are going to be?[&:]

Thanks.
Nick is going to hate you. [:)][:D][;)]

This is going to take time to answer and that will be time I am not making turns for him to play.

Not a topic for AAR I will answer in the war room in a thread called essential tools for allied players.

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I don't know about Nick, but my PBEM opponent might[:D]
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Turn 8 results: England

Okay, I screwed the pooch on this one. Somehow I got the raids to Bailey petrol and the avionics to the left of Paris out ahead of the raid that was supposed to provide them cover. Damned if I know how I did that. In any case, Nick pounced and killed eight Apaches. The raids to Amsterdam did no damage. I presume that they were intercepted. I couldn't tell from the messages and could not see the movie. There is no message generated for an intercept.

The troop raids were successful, a lot of planes damaged but few losses.

I didn't separate Italy from England but the kills for the day were:

Tanks 15
Art. 4
Inf 3
20mm 7
37mm 4
20mm Q 1
88mm 1

In Italy:

The raid to Benevento, did 79 points of damage. It will be out till after the invasion.

The P 47 raid to Villa Literno flew through the battle and got off course, so they ended up strafing everything in sight. Two fairly large groups managed to hit the correct airfield and did some damage. They took out 20 aircraft on the ground, but I don't know what aircraft they were. If you count their air to air kills and the 20 on the ground that P 47 raid was most of the casualties I caused for the turn.

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I am getting even losses but not enough of them. I am averaging 50 per turn and I think I need about 80. Otherwise I am happy with progress.

BTW recon from today shows that the size 7 engine plant at Strasbourg was knocked out. Probably by the night raid a couple of turns ago. That makes 34 points of production known knocked out. The transport damage is causing an unknown amount of slowdown in 40 or so points more. I sent out a bunch of recon for turn 9 to see if I can clarify things a little.



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Turn nine, England:

Okay, I've been needing to get to Bremen to take out the submarine factories and this is the day. Clouds are 39%, which is not too bad, but Bremen is completely covered until about 1030. So I plotted the Bremen raids (the blue circle) for a 1030 target time and adjusted the diversionary raid (the orange circle) appropriately.

There are a few Tiffy raids to troops, and one railyard.

The pink circle is bomber command hitting targets around Leipzig that were hit before, but not sufficiently damaged and the ports at Magdaberg.

The rest is recon.

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StoneAge has been posting his raid list and I think that's a good idea. So from now on I will post the raid list with my planning reports.

I'm thinking I'm going to concentrate more on planning reports and less on results because Nick can report results much more accurately. I will put in a brief summary of what I think happened so you can get an idea of where my concept of game reality differs from the real thing.
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Duu. I helps if you attach it.

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Turn nine Italy:

Italy is pretty simple. The B24s are going to hit three railyards north of Naples and a dozen or so bombing attacks on 29th Panzer Grenadier.

I am playing with the Italians because, if my run him out of engines strategy works, I will have to face those left over junk Italian planes in 2 or 3 hundred turns. I may as well destroy them now while they are flown by low morale poor experience pilots.

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