Interesting poll BBC

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Why would anyone not choose New Zealand?

Why indeed? Why doncha ask some of the myriad EnZed diaspora out there? New Zealand is insular, isolated and has its own very significant problems-political, social, monetary and otherwise. By no means are they (or any other country on that or any other list) a paradise, devoid of suffering, want or justice. Their tax base can be usury (much akin to several Western European countries), their property rights impenetrable.

It says a lot for a poll if people select a place to emigrate that they've never visited before. Maybe it says that people who so respond in polls are escapists, incapable of cogent thought.

warspite1

Of course, all countries have problems - its a package, a series of compromises like most things in life. You take - to the extent you have the choice - the compromise package you want (although for most of us we don't have the choice (or the choice we want)).

Re the highlighted text, I can't agree with you on that one. Wouldn't have been much emmigration in the history of the world if a prior visit was a pre-requisite? The might and strength of the US was built on the back of immigrants who had never seen North America - hell, in most cases had probably never set foot outside their own country. I suspect a lot of these were dreamers and escapists who heard of a chance of a better life and took it. I don't see that a cogent thought process is necessarily lacking there.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

It says a lot for a poll if people select a place to emigrate that they've never visited before. Maybe it says that people who so respond in polls are escapists, incapable of cogent thought.

Odd comment for an American. Surely the vast majority of immigrants to your own country (or at least those who had any choice in the matter) were exactly such people?!

Most people who emigrate are trying to 'escape' something or other, be it poverty, lack of opportunity to maximise their talents, or annoying relatives. Dreamers as well maybe, but that hardly disqualifies their capacity for cogent thought.

You're right. You and Warspite1. My thoughts, expressed in my reply, didn't take into account the immigrant history of my country. I stand corrected.

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Ethan Krupp is an operative for Orginizing For America. In his own words he is a 'extreme leftist liberal f*** with no morals'. This community organizer in training man-child still lives with his wealthy attorney,accountant parents, still

You see, this little puke silver spoon fed living in mommies basement expects young healthy people to overpay for some service when they are barely making it now. I'm talking about young people trying to make it on their own, unlike Krupp. This spoiled brat expects me and 75 million others to pay a 40% excise tax for having the audacity to have good insurance. You see, this wonderful plan supported by this non bill paying onesie clad 'extreme leftist' punishes those that were diligent and pursued either opportunities or goals of providing good insurance to their families never having to make the sacrifices himself.

I hope that your health will begin to fail soon and you won't be able be "diligent and pursue either opportunities or goals of providing good insurance".
You'll see what it's like to be powerless when liberals like you are gloating about how their health allowed them to do stuff you are no longer able to do and about how you're evil and deserve to live on street because you are "lazy".
With this amount of stress it's quite possible that soon you'll have a major nervous breakdown or heart attack or something like that, so it's possible that it will really happen.
Too bad that you won't have an opportunity to die without medical aid then.

Being stripped of privilege quickly cures of liberalism, don't worry, I have experience with it. I also believed in that crap when I was healthy.

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

When picking squad makes, I'd take the pajama boy over your cromagnons. He'd probably end up with PTSD (so, not as healthy as privileged pukes like you like), but at least there's a chance that he'd do some spectacular heroics.

[Curtis Lemay]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

I hope that your health will begin to fail soon and you won't be able be "diligent and pursue either opportunities or goals of providing good insurance".
You'll see what it's like to be powerless when liberals like you are gloating about how their health allowed them to do stuff you are no longer able to do and about how you're evil and deserve to live on street because you are "lazy".
With this amount of stress it's quite possible that soon you'll have a major nervous breakdown or heart attack or something like that, so it's possible that it will really happen.
Too bad that you won't have an opportunity to die without medical aid then.

Being stripped of privilege quickly cures of liberalism, don't worry, I have experience with it. I also believed in that crap when I was healthy.


When picking squad makes, I'd take the pajama boy over your cromagnons. He'd probably end up with PTSD (so, not as healthy as privileged pukes like you like), but at least there's a chance that he'd do some spectacular heroics.

What a vile post!

Let's see, you hope his "health will begin to fail soon", and it's too bad he "won't have an opportunity to die without medical aid".

I'm not the monitor here, but there is no place for that sort of garbage being posted on this board.

Comparing our WWII heroes to Cro-Magnons was a another kind of vile as well.

[Hotschi]

Reading this "discussion", makes me understand why matrixgames doesn't allow politics in their forums.

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Ethan Krupp is an operative for Orginizing For America. In his own words he is a 'extreme leftist liberal f*** with no morals'. This community organizer in training man-child still lives with his wealthy attorney,accountant parents, still

You see, this little puke silver spoon fed living in mommies basement expects young healthy people to overpay for some service when they are barely making it now. I'm talking about young people trying to make it on their own, unlike Krupp. This spoiled brat expects me and 75 million others to pay a 40% excise tax for having the audacity to have good insurance. You see, this wonderful plan supported by this non bill paying onesie clad 'extreme leftist' punishes those that were diligent and pursued either opportunities or goals of providing good insurance to their families never having to make the sacrifices himself.

I hope that your health will begin to fail soon and you won't be able be "diligent and pursue either opportunities or goals of providing good insurance".
You'll see what it's like to be powerless when liberals like you are gloating about how their health allowed them to do stuff you are no longer able to do and about how you're evil and deserve to live on street because you are "lazy".
With this amount of stress it's quite possible that soon you'll have a major nervous breakdown or heart attack or something like that, so it's possible that it will really happen.
Too bad that you won't have an opportunity to die without medical aid then.

Being stripped of privilege quickly cures of liberalism, don't worry, I have experience with it. I also believed in that crap when I was healthy.

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

When picking squad makes, I'd take the pajama boy over your cromagnons. He'd probably end up with PTSD (so, not as healthy as privileged pukes like you like), but at least there's a chance that he'd do some spectacular heroics.

I explained how the policy this person is advocating for is affecting me in a very significant and negative way and you wish me bad health and to die on the streets? Such is the way of government mule radicals like you. If you cannot refute someone's concerns and arguments wish death on them.

To that I wish a long and good life for you.

Eric

[BAL]

ORIGINAL: Jonathan Pollard

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Its a BBC poll. Don't expect anything other than left wing, anti-American bias... [8|]

It's not a BBC poll, it's a Gallup poll reported by the BBC. And Gallup should be suspected of having right wing Republican bias. In 2003 its CEO, James Clifton, donated $2000 (the maximum allowed by law) to Herman Cain's run for the Georgia Senate.

The company also got slapped with a big fine this past year, too.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/g ... 94177.html

[Qwixt]

To the original post, that is some funny irony. I wonder if the people saying they want to move to Canada realize how cold it gets.

Off topic, the extreme views here are such a joke. Missouri_Rebel is particularly a joke. He posts some pictures from some conspiracy laden dream like the world is suppose to recognize some random guy. Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with latest dump of faux conspiracy. You are in such a small world, and you think people care about the latest hater craze. It's hilarious. You think everyone knows about the guy and the latest rage. Seriously, lol.

[DerTroof]

Here's a 27 year-old American who grew up a few towns from where I live.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/1 ... story.html

No mention of his taste in pajamas, sorry.

[Missouri_Rebel]

Conspiracy? Sadly no.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news ... efits?lite

Go back sticking your head in the sand. If it doesn't affect you then fine. Unfortunately for many of us it does. The only laughable thing is considering questioning bad policy hatred? That dog wont hunt any more.

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: DerTroof

Here's a 27 year-old American who grew up a few towns from where I live.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/1 ... story.html

No mention of his taste in pajamas, sorry.

Such a shame and waste. Thanks for the story.

[Fred Sanford]

[Missouri_Rebel]

[gradenko2k]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Those two have a lot in common.

[GaryChildress]

I can understand how people get worked up over political issues. I get pretty worked up myself sometimes. I'm sure people will still rise to their times, pajamas or not. You do what you have to do when called upon. I think there can be more sophisticated political discussion than all the mud throwing and stereotyping that often goes on. Whether it's making fun of someone in PJs or accusing someone of being a fascist. There are more effective ways of having a political debate.

As far as the polls that got all this started, it is pretty sobering to me, as an American, that many people around the world seem to view the US as the main threat to world peace, at least according to this poll. All the insults in the world are not going to change that perception I think. Maybe it's time to pause and wonder why so many view the US as a threat? Whether its sending B-52s to fly over contested waters in Asia or sending drones to assassinate terrorists, the US seems to be in the thick of things a lot lately. I'm not sure if that is a good sign or bad one?

To all those out there who DO think the US may be the number one threat to world peace I invite a sensible discussion of the reasons for this perception. Is the US more of a threat than, say, North Korea or Iran? Is it perhaps the case that countries like North Korea or Iran seem to have so little difficulty in yanking our chain, getting a reaction out of us? All they have to do is rattle a sabre and the US comes flocking to the scene ready for the challenge? What would be a more constructive way of dealing with North Korea or Iran, for example? Would it be better to ignore them like most of the rest of the world does? And by ignore I don't mean ignore them if they do start a conflict but ignore all the childish rants and ploys for attention that we constantly get. Aren't there more noble things to pursue in the world, such as eliminating hunger and disease? Must every noble act involve taking on monsters and destroying them? Are noble people only those who carry weapons and march into the face of danger or are there other ways of being noble?

Is a person nothing until they have marched into battle? If so then it is no wonder that some look for every opportunity to do so. We all want to achieve some sort of personal excellence. I hope there are alternative ways of achieving it. If not then there will only be more wars and fighting and everyone will have an opportunity to be "great" up until the human species becomes extinct.

[Boomer78]

I've debated getting into this thread as most topical threads I dip my toe into get locked.

But I'll say this. I think we're rallying around the wrong flags these days, and we're spending too much time letting other entities (media corporations, special interests, etc) tell us which flags should be our battle cry. I don't agree at all with establishment liberalism. Having said that, I also do not care to have the Duck Dynasty goofballs as my shining warriors, fighting the good moral fight against social decay. I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but I also do not want stoner campus hippies rubbing elbows with me at protests either. I could go on and on with that point, but to sum up, I think we're allowing ourselves and our own views to be too easily stratified by those who wish to see us divided and bickering. Somehow we've allowed the men and women who rule the world to turn our attempts at solutions into the rhetorical equivalent of pro football.

Too often America gets put in the spotlight and all of its warts and problems gets highlighted in order for various cultures around the world to feel good about themselves in making fun of it... often while waist deep in their own corruption and decay. But it's also easier to put others down as a way of making your own defense. America has a lot of problems, some of which I refuse to defend or stand behind. America was known as one of the good guys, one of the last real bastions of freedom in the world. We now export drones, high taxes, destructive social culture and warrantless wiretapping. Some use these as dividing lines with which to spur endless conflict. America is a great nation, but it's a nation on the decline that will follow its Roman example if it doesn't get its collective head out of its four points of contact. That fact doesn't preclude the proof of other nations also suffering from the same ills. I find it amusing that we live in an age that criticizes nationalism or individualism, while at the same time we use those tribal instincts to bash each other and find entertainment in the suffering of others.

So screw Europe. Screw America. Screw CNN. Screw Fox news. Screw Bush. Screw Obama. Screw drugs. Screw drug laws. Screw gun owners. Screw gun control. Screw it all and let the hammer sort it out.

[Missouri_Rebel]

My original post was off base and had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Time I banned myself for a couple weeks or so.

[Gilmer]

Reporter: "Ringo, are you a mod or a rocker?"
Ringo: "I'm a mocker!"

How can you not like a country that produced Ringo Starr? (And this is not an insult. I really like ole Ringo.)

[Gilmer]

You Brits can help me with this quote....

After beating England in soccer (football), the PM of West Germany said to Margaret Thatcher, "We just beat you at your national sport."
To which Thatcher replied, "We've beaten you at your national sport twice this century."