Will you be playing this on Steam?

Distant Worlds is a vast, pausable real-time, 4X space strategy game which models a "living galaxy" with incredible options for replayability and customizability. Experience the full depth and detail of large turn-based strategy games, but with the simplicity and ease of real-time, and on the scale of a massively-multiplayer online game. Now greatly enhanced with the new Universe release, which includes all four previous releases as well as the new Universe expansion!

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RE: Will you be playing this on Steam?

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ORIGINAL: Breet

I don't want to be the one that burst peoples 'I hate drm/steam' bubble here but for Distant Worlds Universe, all it's doing is the same as matrix games (in a dumbed down form)
All your doing is registering a key to your steam account (same way it does with your matrix account)
You have a choice of having steam running after you have downloaded. It isn't required to play (as Erik said in another post)
Just copy a short cut to the DistantWorlds.exe file and you wont need to have steam open/running again when you play it.

I apologise for sounding like one of those "steam no buy/play" people but I think steam never bothered me really as I have played games offline with steam countless of times already and they are not as invasive as Uplay or Origin. I love the convenience steam brings especially workshop and the beta patches and the hours sunk in the game but as I have said, I want the actual matrix version because it is what I am used to for this game.
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I apologise for sounding like one of those "steam no buy/play" people but I think steam never bothered me really as I have played games offline with steam countless of times already and they are not as invasive as Uplay or Origin. I love the convenience steam brings especially workshop and the beta patches and the hours sunk in the game but as I have said, I want the actual matrix version because it is what I am used to for this game.

Apparently I need to post random comments on the forums to post a link to matrix forums (would have thought matrixgames would be an ok domain) but there is a sticky there "Redeem your free Steam key!" where Surtur01 states that the steam version is the same as matrix game version.

THe only 'difference' is doesn't direct shortcut to the game .exe files (which you can just make yourself) and Steam also adds little 'perks' of having displayable achievements. Maybe in the future steamworkshop which will make it easier to install mods.
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I can also confirm no apparent difference between the Steam and Matrix versions. I have had no difficulty creating a custom shortcut to the autorun.exe file in my SteamApps folder and loading it from there without having steam running.

I have had 2 HD failures in the past several years. Steam's policy of buy. . . no, sorry, "license" once, download anywhere, anytime, is important to me.

I am currently running with Steam loaded on the off chance that Erik is going to use the analytical data to improve gameplay.
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Steam is DRM.

Steam is a store.
Steamworks is DRM.

Copy paste your DW:U folder from inside Steam to anywhere else, uninstall Steam or quit it, and you can still play, it's like magics. Using Steamworks or not is up to the publisher, Paradox often does not, for example.
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ORIGINAL: Breet
All your doing is registering a key to your steam account (same way it does with your matrix account)

There is no keys to save or register if you buy it on Steam. I bought it there and I didn't register any keys, I just downloaded installed and played. It's key-DRM free. If you can copy it and run it with Steam uninstalled as said above, it in fact has less DRM than the Matrix version.
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Not running Steam. Whats the point of having 2 apps open?
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Not running Steam. Whats the point of having 2 apps open?

I hope you didn't forget to also open up your Task Manager and hunt down everything Windows runs that's not useful when playing DW.
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If you use the Steam version is there no going back? For example I turned my Trackmanias into Steam version and now there are features ONLY available to the non-Steam version and I can't go back. So, if I turn my DW into Steam can I still install it and use the matrix key without Steam in the future?

Also I'm not a workshop fan, I use the Nexus for Skyrim for example because who would want automatically updating mods, especially when there are multiple options available [:-]

But... on the other hand Steam might be more handy way to play since I got so many other games there, just don't want to permantly lose access to my matrix version by turning it into a Steam version. Can you go back?
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If you use the Steam version is there no going back? For example I turned my Trackmanias into Steam version and now there are features ONLY available to the non-Steam version and I can't go back. So, if I turn my DW into Steam can I still install it and use the matrix key without Steam in the future?

Also I'm not a workshop fan, I use the Nexus for Skyrim for example because who would want automatically updating mods, especially when there are multiple options available [:-]

As far as I understand you can always have both licenses.

Regarding Workshop, for Skyrim you have a great 3rd party client(s) on Nexus which makes it a better choice. But most other games don't have that and therefore Workshop is automatically better (easy to find mods, easy to install and update, downloads links never expire).
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Not unless there is Steam Workshop support. If they did that, I'd probably use Steam. Otherwise, I don't see the need for it.

THIS would be a really good idea. I don't know how you get Steam Workshop rolling from the publisher stand point but being able to subscribe to mods and have them update automatically is convenient to say the least. Steam Workshop support makes Space Engineers very engaging. It is really fun to browse the workshop and see what other people can contribute. Space Engineers has integrated Steam Workshop so well that it is in the game UI and makes publishing mods very easy. That would be great to see in DWU.
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I won't be playing on Steam. In part because it has its own problems, and in part because I just don't like the way the Steam-concept is implemented.

For one, Steam is a backdoor into your system that you've only got whatever control over that Valve allows you to have. I doubt it will get hacked anytime soon, but the occasional stealth update shows that Steam can force updates through without asking permission and regardless of your settings.

On top of that, you've got zero version control. Maybe you're afforded the luxury of holding out on an update here and now, but reinstalls are with the latest version and I could swear that I've read about cases of games where you simply can't play, not even offline, unless you activate online and patch up. This won't be critical in all games but there are situations where you lose saved games with serious time investments and there are times where patches actually hurt the game more than they help.

And Steam's answer to both those problems is essentially "go fuck yourself", and if you make the mistake of complaining about it on their forums then you'll get swarmed with brats spewing nonsense about how consumer rights shouldn't be and all hail the mighty freaking Valve.

If that system appeals to you then fair enough. It doesn't appeal to me. I can patch my games manually just fine, I can mod my games manually just fine, and I sure can live without giving my money to Valve. If that means I can't buy certain games then that's really not my loss, is it?

Final thing, I do take some measure of offense from games that require online activation for offline play. And it pleases me when developers actually show me the respect of not treating me like a moron by stuffing the game they're hoping I'll like full of copy protection garbage that doesn't provide any value for me and also doesn't keep cracked versions off the pirate-infested shores of Sweden. That sort of respect and common courtesy makes me want to buy the game. The Steamworks DRM option? Not so much.

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I hope you didn't forget to also open up your Task Manager and hunt down everything Windows runs that's not useful when playing DW.

I actually do this regularly out of general principle. Never did like having crapware running for no reason and you'd be amazed how many application designers suffer from the delusion that their particular load of crap really is important enough that it needs to start together with Windows.
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I hate DRM and avoid it wherever possible. Steam itself takes away control of the product you bought and forces updates down your throat and I can not see how any sane person could ever voluntarily surrender their rights like that. And Steam Workshop is in the same vein, it takes away your control and forces things on you without players having any say. I hope they will never support it, as it forces you to register your game with them before you can download and so any mods published there would be shut off from all those people who don't throw all their customer rights to the wind at the first promise of convenience.
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For one, Steam is a backdoor into your system that you've only got whatever control over that Valve allows you to have. I doubt it will get hacked anytime soon, but the occasional stealth update shows that Steam can force updates through without asking permission and regardless of your settings.
...etc...

Wow, what a load of hate and bile just for a gaming software platform. You creep me out.

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Steam is DRM.

Steam is a store.
Steamworks is DRM.

Semantics is fun.

I didn't start this thread to bash Steam or start a DRM war. I use Steam regularly, with nearly 200 games in my Library. But I also have few precious games that are DRM-free (a rarity now-a-days), and Distant Worlds was always one of those gems. I was just curious: since all of us are accustomed to not using a third-party program while playing Distant Worlds, who will now make the transition over to Steam since it's available and why.
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I hope you didn't forget to also open up your Task Manager and hunt down everything Windows runs that's not useful when playing DW.

Actually, I do, and I think it should be a regular practice of anyone serious about maintaining a healthy PC.
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Will you be playing this on Steam?

Abso-f-ing-lutely not. I have a Steam account and about 30 games there...but only because that is the only way to get them. Matrix has the BEST marketing model ever and that is how I will keep it.
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ORIGINAL: Spidey
For one, Steam is a backdoor into your system that you've only got whatever control over that Valve allows you to have. I doubt it will get hacked anytime soon, but the occasional stealth update shows that Steam can force updates through without asking permission and regardless of your settings.
...etc...

Wow, what a load of hate and bile just for a gaming software platform. You creep me out.

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Spidey is right.
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I have some games on steam, and don't mind the platform. But I see absolutely no reason to play DW there.
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I have some games on steam, and don't mind the platform. But I see absolutely no reason to play DW there.

You, Sir, are entirely too calm and reasonable in your response to a life-and-death-galaxy-shattering question.
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Wow, what a load of hate and bile just for a gaming software platform. You creep me out.
Just answering the question. I don't like Steam, at least not in its current form, and I believe that's my prerogative, just like it's yours to love Steam or to not love Justin Bieber or whatever. I went a bit above and beyond by providing this thing called "reasons", but then I figured I might have to, since so depressingly many people get upset if you don't just love Steam's hand-holding and railroading.

You're quite right that I have rather strong emotions on this topic, though. But I really don't like to be treated like a moron and I don't like Valve thinking it's their prerogative to mess around with my games on my system without even having the courtesy to ask for permission. That's just me, though. I've never really been good at submitting to that sort of authority.
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