What's the deal with Bulgaria?

[AEWHistory]

Very nice, thank you! It has been like walking on eggshells in MP games trying to get Bulgaria into the war. I've had them freeze up (counter turns red and stops counting down) when AH had already knocked Serbia out of the war. This should make the Bulgarians pretty lusty to get involved.

As an aside, in one game the Greeks declared war on the CP without any sort of countdown. What would cause that? One day they were their normal resentful but neutral selves and the next they declared war. It really threw me and I'm trying to figure if this is a fluke. I didn't use gas

As always, thanks in advance!

EDIT: I almost forgot to ask when will these changes be available? Also, will this require currently running games to be restarted? thanks very much!

[operating]

ORIGINAL: AEWHistory

Very nice, thank you! It has been like walking on eggshells in MP games trying to get Bulgaria into the war. I've had them freeze up (counter turns red and stops counting down) when AH had already knocked Serbia out of the war. This should make the Bulgarians pretty lusty to get involved.

As an aside, in one game the Greeks declared war on the CP without any sort of countdown. What would cause that? One day they were their normal resentful but neutral selves and the next they declared war. It really threw me and I'm trying to figure if this is a fluke. I didn't use gas

As always, thanks in advance!

EDIT: I almost forgot to ask when will these changes be available? Also, will this require currently running games to be restarted? thanks very much!

Got your PM and replied

Kirk is the "Clerk of the Works" on a lot of the proposed changes, much of is passed onto Johnny Bravo "Program Guru", hopefully the topic discussed above goes into the next patch (keep fingers crossed). Yes it is important, to find out if a "new" patch will in any way foul up an existing MP match. So don't jump into a new patch with a current match still active. However, do discuss with your opponent the value of a new patch over an existing match and perhaps discuss ending that match and starting fresh with a new patch. The only drawback from that is: if the existing match is close to a finish (meaning a lot of time has been invested) that one or the other, or both may want to finish the match before upgrading.[;)]

[AEWHistory]

ORIGINAL: operating

ORIGINAL: AEWHistory

Very nice, thank you! It has been like walking on eggshells in MP games trying to get Bulgaria into the war. I've had them freeze up (counter turns red and stops counting down) when AH had already knocked Serbia out of the war. This should make the Bulgarians pretty lusty to get involved.

As an aside, in one game the Greeks declared war on the CP without any sort of countdown. What would cause that? One day they were their normal resentful but neutral selves and the next they declared war. It really threw me and I'm trying to figure if this is a fluke. I didn't use gas

As always, thanks in advance!

EDIT: I almost forgot to ask when will these changes be available? Also, will this require currently running games to be restarted? thanks very much!

Got your PM and replied

Kirk is the "Clerk of the Works" on a lot of the proposed changes, much of is passed onto Johnny Bravo "Program Guru", hopefully the topic discussed above goes into the next patch (keep fingers crossed). Yes it is important, to find out if a "new" patch will in any way foul up an existing MP match. So don't jump into a new patch with a current match still active. However, do discuss with your opponent the value of a new patch over an existing match and perhaps discuss ending that match and starting fresh with a new patch. The only drawback from that is: if the existing match is close to a finish (meaning a lot of time has been invested) that one or the other, or both may want to finish the match before upgrading.[;)]

Hey bob,

Okeedokee, good to know. Thanks very much. In the games you've played deep enough where Bulgarian entry (or lack thereof) becomes an issue, what have you done? One opponent I had offered to voluntarily declare war on Bulgaria ten turns after Italian entry. I'm holding off taking this person up on the offer in the hope I can "unstick" the Bulgarians, but this seems like a happy medium I suppose. The Bulgarians are just SOOO important to the CP, but I'm wondering what other people are doing? Just live with it? Use a drop dead date to bring the Bulgarians into the war?

One other question: did you ever encounter anything like that Greek situation like I described above, there wasn't any countdown. Is that a fluke or does that happen from time to time? Might I have done something to trigger Greek entry into the war?

Thanks!

[operating]

Hey bob,

Okeedokee, good to know. Thanks very much. In the games you've played deep enough where Bulgarian entry (or lack thereof) becomes an issue, what have you done? One opponent I had offered to voluntarily declare war on Bulgaria ten turns after Italian entry. I'm holding off taking this person up on the offer in the hope I can "unstick" the Bulgarians, but this seems like a happy medium I suppose. The Bulgarians are just SOOO important to the CP, but I'm wondering what other people are doing? Just live with it? Use a drop dead date to bring the Bulgarians into the war?

One other question: did you ever encounter anything like that Greek situation like I described above, there wasn't any countdown. Is that a fluke or does that happen from time to time? Might I have done something to trigger Greek entry into the war?

Thanks!

Aaron

In the current state of 1.62 Bulgaria is fickle (as shown in prior posts). It will go from "red" to "black", but I am not sure exactly why? usually because CP has been winning in some way or another, I'll try to read the lua data to make sense of it, often I do not understand the lua language, or rather it's interpretations, it can be a head scratcher. The problem is: It should never go red in the first place, much could be said in the same vain with Romania, Portugal, USA, and Greece (an enigma, going to take a look at the files on Greece too, I'm a little confused there also).

Bob

[AdmiralSarek]

I can't find the LUA file, which one is the bulharia enters the way in?

[AdmiralSarek]

OK, I found it, but it sounds like bulgaria will be changed to just enter the war every time. Which is the best idea, unless the Italy script gets changed so it goes red as well (if Serbia gets smashed).

As it is I could probably read the script again and figure out how to 'game' it to make sure they enter as the CP and don't as the entete, but that would not be good for this game.


Another change to consider would be stopping the ability to declare on a country that is about to join the war for a pre-emtive strike, this is a particularly good tactic agaisnt Italy and Romania, I havn't seen it agaisnt the ottomans yet.

[Rongor]

I have to announce that Bulgaria froze to a red 15+ in my current MP game as CP in the exact moment a German garrison set foot into Italy while supporting AH in stabilizing the Alps front. I didn't use gas so far.
After reading the whole thread I am confused. Didn't Kirk say Bulgaria will enter in any case? But still it doesn't, not only in my game but also mentioned in other posts above, after the last patch...

So it is a bit unclear to me what to do now. Should I DoW Romania to please Bulgaria back to counting down? Should I accept Bulgaria won't join me anyway and so feel free to unleash the gas finally?

[operating]

ORIGINAL: Rongor

I have to announce that Bulgaria froze to a red 15+ in my current MP game as CP in the exact moment a German garrison set foot into Italy while supporting AH in stabilizing the Alps front. I didn't use gas so far.
After reading the whole thread I am confused. Didn't Kirk say Bulgaria will enter in any case? But still it doesn't, not only in my game but also mentioned in other posts above, after the last patch...

So it is a bit unclear to me what to do now. Should I DoW Romania to please Bulgaria back to counting down? Should I accept Bulgaria won't join me anyway and so feel free to unleash the gas finally?

Unfortunately, what may have happened: Kirk makes up a list of proposed changes to the game (including how to do them) to the "owner" (LZ) of the game and his "programmer" (johnnybravo). But if LZ does not want to invest in programing time, or johnnybravo does not have the time to program, many of the proposed changes do not get entered into a patch. Take note, that these people are working on other new ventures and moving forward there, their interests are not here as much anymore, the shine has wore off for them. Personally, I can cannot see it that way, for the sales of CTGW seem to me to be still going up, especially since the release of 1.64...[&:]