German tanks vs British tanks, seems odd

[Gullyfoyle]

Thanks for the feedback. I just had a game in which I had 4 Tigers blasting on a Croc, 2 from the from the front and one from each side and it took about 6 hits to take it out. And yes I am discovering the tank pathing is very bad. Cheers

[Jagdtiger14]

The Churchill should not be able to do much against the Panzer IV, etc...while the German AT guns can knock them out.
Check this out (39min to 42min):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9J1uBiJr4

[Gullyfoyle]

Thanks for the video. I'll watch it at work tomorrow....

I just had the same "we can't hurt that" from 2 PZKIV's firing on the side of a Sherman V (M4A4?) from 80 metres. I know Matrix is probably trying to balance the game but that is a bit much.

[SteveMcClaire]

Gullyfoyle,

Just looking at the data files, the Churchills all have quite good side armor. Not enough to stop a Pz IVH's 75mm, but if the target Churchill were at an angle (which uses the front-side columns in the data file) rather than broadside on, this could be enough to go over the threshold and give you a 'can't hurt that.'

Steve

[Jagdtiger14]

Ok, so lets say the problem for the Panzer IV's in this/these situation(s) is that the firing angle is front-side. The report above mentions that the 6pdr gun is taking out Tigers/Panthers...unless its a rear-end shot...maybe, but the 6pdr didn't have the penetration capability.

Its sounds like to me this is an AI cheat to keep things interesting. I think in real life the Allies called in air support, or medium/heavy artillery to deal with this.

[STIENER]

not sure why gullyfoyle is having issues with the mk 4 shooting at the side of a Sherman. as steve says the angle could be an issue but it shouldn't be against a Sherman. my experiences with the mk 4 vs Sherman is that there very evenly matched. ive seen lots of weird stuff happen in tank duels in GWTC tho.

jagdtiger14 ...the issue with the 6 pdr vs the tigers and panthers. we discussed this in another thread or maybe this one. at the time of this GC in GWTC the allied 6 pdr had the APDS round. the 17 pdr did not yet have it yet. the 6 pdr with the APDS rd was capable of knocking out the tigers and panthers.
in GWTC I have had good success with the 6 pdr a/t guns vs the cats and a few success's with the Churchill with the 6 pdr vs the cats.

[Jagdtiger14]

Stiener: I think that discussion you had was with someone else. No matter. The British APDS round for the 6 pounder was very excellent! The problem was availability. I read somewhere that all British tank special ammo was 4 rounds. Churchills and Comets had 4 rounds of APDS. The AT guns probably had a much larger supply of APDS. Also, there were trajectory issues with the APDS, which were solved later (not sure of the date on that, but probably after Caen).

[STIENER]

jagdtiger14: I didn't mean you and I had this discussion before...I meant to say that it has been discussed before
I believe the availibilty of the APDS for the 6 PDR in the GWTC time frame is good. yes the tanks didn't have as many rds as the a/t guns. yes they had trajectory issues but those were solved real fast by the gunners themselves. they were issued the APDS with no training or info on how to use it and the 1st rds fired were messed up trajectory wise. they soon figured out what the issue was and compensated for it.

Steve: I had the same issue as gullyfoyle tonite....I had a panther shooting at the side of a Sherman [ no angle ] at around 60 to 80 m and had a black circle with cant hurt that. is there a too close range for some tanks?

[SteveMcClaire]

Steiner,

No, 60-80m should not be too close. Did the Panther have HE loaded at the time (i.e. had just been shooting at infantry?) Was the Sherman behind a wall or hedgerow, perhaps? I haven't reviewed the terrain protection data values in GTC but that's the only other thing I can think of that might have caused a "Can't Hurt That" for a Panther vs. a Sherman from any angle.

Steve