John III Lament

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I haven't watched a regular season NFL game in thirty years, and I've watched perhaps five playoff games during that same interval.

BUt John III is the real-McCoy - a lifelong fan of the Chiefs, who've been playing right there in Kansas City since the days of Len Dawson and Jan Stenereud. The Chiefs are one of those "small-market" teams that have played in the same place for a long time. People who a Chiefs fans are fans because they have some tie to the city, unlike the "shallow fans" fans who pick a perennial winner in a town they have no connection to.

Johns lived and died with his team since he was a yo9ung'n. That's what I meant by "he is one of the good guys."

So, I am a huge Chicago Blackhawks fan. I was a fan when they didn't win 35 games a year in the late 90s into early 2000s. I was a fan for the 3 Stanley Cups in 6 years, and I am still a fan when they're in last place.

I have zero ties to Chicago outside of trading and a few friends. I was a Hawk fan well before I knew them.

I guess I am and "Shallow Hawk's Fan"

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I must have expressed myself poorly, because I think you and I see things the same way.

The point I was trying (apparently badly) to make is about the 30-something guy who "suddenly" becomes a 'Bama fan or a Yankees fan or a Golden State fan for no reason other than that team is a big winner. They didn't stick with the team through the years, good and lean, but simply latch to a big winner because it boosts their ego.

I was trying to point out that people like you and John and others, who grow up as fans of a team and stick with it, good or bad, are the "good guys."

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LOL +1

"The kind of guy that bandages up the ankle when hopping on and off the bandwagon"

[8D]

I got your point.

To your point some guys can have 'long standing' attachments to teams that they are not specifically geographically located in and of course it varies by circumstances.

It is usually a connection of a sorts. Nostalgia / a visit / family / something

Have many 'Saskatchewan friends' who are huge fans of the Montreal Canadiens - in good and bad times (mostly good) - even though Calgary / Edmonton / Winnipeg are closer. Saskatchewan does not have a professional team. Given our 'relative ages' it has a lot to do with Hockey Night in Canada circa 1976 - 1980 - when we were all approx 10 years old... many people loved those particular Montreal teams (Hall of Famers - and classic games verses the Russians / Boston) across Canada - and loyalty to the franchise stuck since.

I suppose many North / South Dakotan's or Wyomingites - may have long standing loyalty to "the Yankees or the Dodgers" even though Denver / Chicago is closer. Nostalgia because of TV coverage when you are "in your youthful impressionable age"


I personally have a loyalty to the Carolina Panthers. I 'honeymooned' (bed and breakfast circuit) through the Carolina's in 1994 - up an down to Blue Mountain Ridgeway as well as resort islands. Took a tour of Erikson County Stadium just before the team started play.

Won a free jersey for being the tourist from furthest away - go Kerry Collins !



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becomes a 'Bama fan or a Yankees fan

Could never be a 'Bama fan. Cousin was murdered down there while a member of the team.

Always a Yankee fan, and they weren't very good when I was a kid.
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Nothing odd about being a Yankees fan from Long Island. :)
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Hey, they were the only NY team back then. Dodgers and Giants had already moved to the west coast, and the Mets weren't around 'til it was too late.
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Nothing odd about being a Yankees fan from Long Island. :)

Believe it or not there're probably more Met fans out here than Yankees.

Then again I'm from Brooklyn originally. Dad and the family were Yankee fans even though most lived in Brooklyn/Queens.
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Haven't been on the Forum for a few days and had not seen this. Michael put me onto it when he and I talked earlier this morning.

Thanks Dan.

Pretty tough. Have some heartfelt and unprintable words for Mr. Dee Ford but that is OK. There will always be next year and Mahomes is the real deal.

BASEBALL season isn't too far away and hope does always spring eternal for the Kansas City Royals. Two great seasons just a couple of years ago and now back to rebuilding. Small market SUCKS!
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The point I was trying (apparently badly) to make is about the 30-something guy who "suddenly" becomes a 'Bama fan or a Yankees fan or a Golden State fan for no reason other than that team is a big winner. They didn't stick with the team through the years, good and lean, but simply latch to a big winner because it boosts their ego.

I was trying to point out that people like you and John and others, who grow up as fans of a team and stick with it, good or bad, are the "good guys."

A lot of people assume I'm a fairweather fan or a bandwagon fan because I'm from LA and yet I root for the Patriots. In reality, I've been a Boston fan all my life due to my dad's influence (he grew up in Southie) and am old enough to have experienced the very tail end of the dark times of being a Boston fan (raised on the lore of always getting close but failing as a Redsox fan and experienced it personally when Grady Little left Pedro in an inning too long in the ALCS). It's been pretty much a sugar high of glory for 18 years now, however.

That said, LA is definitely a bandwagon city that seems to only care about teams if they are winning: Lakers always, Dodgers now that they've been to the WS a few times recently, and Kings when they won the SC (now that they suck, no one cares about them). I guarantee you the Rams are THE LA team now that they are in the Superbowl and the raiders and Chargers will be quickly forgotten.

Still, I don't get too attached to these things because I recognize that sports are entertainment and looking at it that way I recognize how the NFL is a superior product. Few other sports can create so many lows and highs and general excitement in the space of one game like it can. So I watch it and don't care too much for how "devoted" a team is to a city, etc. I still have fun; and if my team loses, I'll probably be devastated for an hour or two, maybe a day if its the Patriots going for the perfect season and losing in the Superbowl, but it won't last much beyond that.
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I must have expressed myself poorly, because I think you and I see things the same way.

The point I was trying (apparently badly) to make is about the 30-something guy who "suddenly" becomes a 'Bama fan or a Yankees fan or a Golden State fan for no reason other than that team is a big winner. They didn't stick with the team through the years, good and lean, but simply latch to a big winner because it boosts their ego.

I was trying to point out that people like you and John and others, who grow up as fans of a team and stick with it, good or bad, are the "good guys."

warspite1

To me, those who 'glory hunt' are not worth talking to about [insert sport]. Obviously this thread is about NFL but its the same for football or any sport.

I've supported Tottenham Hotspur FC since I was 7, like my dad and my grandad before me - and I'm delighted to say my eldest little cruiser is following in this tradition too.

Yes, we haven't won the league in my lifetime (1961), yes our last major trophy was 2008 and that was only the League Cup, but I've nailed my colours to the blue and white mast - and that's it until I die.

As for any glory hunters out there - you can do one.....

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Nothing odd about being a Yankees fan from Long Island. :)

Believe it or not there're probably more Met fans out here than Yankees.

Then again I'm from Brooklyn originally. Dad and the family were Yankee fans even though most lived in Brooklyn/Queens.

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To me, those who 'glory hunt' are not worth talking to about [insert sport]. Obviously this thread is about NFL but its the same for football or any sport.

I've supported Tottenham Hotspur FC since I was 7, like my dad and my grandad before me - and I'm delighted to say my eldest little cruiser is following in this tradition too.

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1) Concur +1

It is usually exactly that sort of emotional attachment related to a specific person or event in ones life..and the moxy to admit being a fan in good times and bad.

2) Hotspurs ...

Well thank goodness because Crystal Palace uniforms are still god awful... [8D] ..and Arsenal has always been hard to root for.

And fewer options being more London area based teams.... unless you currently live in the heart of ManCity or Liverpool.

If that were the case - the forumites here may ask you to enroll a life insurance policy naming us equal beneficiaries [8D]
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Hey, they were the only NY team back then. Dodgers and Giants had already moved to the west coast, and the Mets weren't around 'til it was too late.

A three year window I think.

I'm a Bronx boy trained to hate the Yankees at my father's knee and 1969 was MUCH fun.
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I am an evil Red Sox fan - but always have been, having grown up in Boston (Dorchester, not Southie :>) ). 86 devastated me, in Uni and swamped by tri-state NY fans at the time. Not a pigskin fan, so the Pats winning again is not a bandwagon I will ever jump on (I was a rugger in Uni - and we thought guys who wore pads rested more than playing were not as 'tough' as us - now ducks to not get killed by return fire).

But agree - pick your teams and stick with them through thick and thin. I really dislike the whole Redsox Nation folks who are only there for the good times.

And cannot wait to see which teams pick up the nightmares that Manny and Harper will be. Clubhouse cancers and fairly over-rated. Bring me a Dwight Evans, Derek Jeter, or Griffey over those fools.
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having grown up in Boston (Dorchester, not Southie :>) ). 86 devastated me,

Really? Not '78.[:D]
And cannot wait to see which teams pick up the nightmares that Manny and Harper will be. Clubhouse cancers and fairly over-rated. Bring me a Dwight Evans, Derek Jeter, or Griffey over those fools.

Agreed. Although not WRT Harper, don't know of him well enough. Is he a head case?
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yep - he's the BEST in his own mind.....78 was bad but not like 86 when the thing was won and the manager messed it up (and I was was covered in NY fans in 86, but not in 78).

04 was so sweet. I was travelling for work out in Phoenix and was sad that I thought I wouldn't be able to see the games (work dinners and all). But the CEO of Cisco, John Chambers, has TVs rolled into the dining room so got to watch game 6 that way. For game 7 it was a cocktail reception and again TVs rolled out throughout the area. So got to see the winning game with a drink in hand. For the record John is not a Red Sox fan - I think he is an A's fan. But a class act to look after us like that.
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As a Toronto resident ....general sport fan - sports fan of Toronto based teams: ***

I think all professional sports leagues would be immeasurably better if we simply eliminated every Boston based Franchise.

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Baseball sans Red Sox ? You bet - urgently needed - miss the days of the Bambino curse

Hockey sans Bruins ? Perfect - never should of had Bobby Orr (Ontarian) or Raymond Bourque (Quebecer) in the first instance.

Basketball sans Celtics ? Ideal - hate the color Green.

Football sans Patriots ? Clearly the barrier to league wide parity removed. Cheating reduced by 35%.


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