Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
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RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
Thanks for the comments. Useful ! Narrowing my choices ...
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RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
This is also an important part of the game IMO...ORIGINAL: AndySfromVA
If you want excellent graphics check out the JTS Civil War or Early American War games. The graphics are fantastic.
Just had a look at Gettysburg and yes, definitely !
http://www.johntillersoftware.com/Civil ... sburg1.png
I like nice graphics for a better immersion. Will definitely consider a JTS civil war game at one point in time.
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RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
As the lead designer for all the Panzer Battles titles as well as Panzer Campaigns Kharkov ‘43 and Moscow ‘42, please fire away with any questions...!
If you want unit density, Moscow ‘42 is probably the absolute king. For playable size, the Longest Day scenario from PzB Normandy is worth a look.
David
If you want unit density, Moscow ‘42 is probably the absolute king. For playable size, the Longest Day scenario from PzB Normandy is worth a look.
David
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David
Scenario Design: David Freer
Additional Scenario Design: Eric Baker
Project Coordinator: David Freer
Order of Battle: David Freer
Oh [&o]!! I'm impresssed ! Just had a look at Moscow 42 and it really looks impressive. And the battle for Moscow is certainly high in my eastern front battles list. Looks like you sold it to me as my Campaign choice.
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I'm playing a Moscow 42 Campaign (Fall Kreml) right now. The map and number of units are massive. I generally don't play the big PzC campaigns vs the AI anymore, it just can't cope with the huge scope. That said, the campaigns are big enough that they are pretty fun to play hotseat against yourself...you can't really keep everything that's going on in your head, although of course complete surprise is hard to achieve!ORIGINAL: nukkxx5058
Just had a look at Moscow 42 and it really looks impressive. And the battle for Moscow is certainly high in my eastern front battles list. Looks like you sold it to me as my Campaign choice.
RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
Don't forget they offer a bulk discount of 20% off on all orders over $199.
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I'm playing a Moscow 42 Campaign (Fall Kreml) right now. The map and number of units are massive. I generally don't play the big PzC campaigns vs the AI anymore, it just can't cope with the huge scope. That said, the campaigns are big enough that they are pretty fun to play hotseat against yourself...you can't really keep everything that's going on in your head, although of course complete surprise is hard to achieve!ORIGINAL: nukkxx5058
Just had a look at Moscow 42 and it really looks impressive. And the battle for Moscow is certainly high in my eastern front battles list. Looks like you sold it to me as my Campaign choice.
I only ever play vs the AI. But I also only play the smaller "parts" of the campaign and not the entire campaign itself.
RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
From my experience in the large campaigns the AI just completely breaks down once you're 30-40 turns in, even if the AI is playing defense. Understandable really, but not super-enjoyable.ORIGINAL: Blond_Knight
But I also only play the smaller "parts" of the campaign and not the entire campaign itself.
For fortification-heavy campaigns, such as Minsk or Moscow 42, I seriously doubt that the AI could make any progress at all as attacker (although I haven't tried).
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I'm playing a Moscow 42 Campaign (Fall Kreml) right now. The map and number of units are massive. I generally don't play the big PzC campaigns vs the AI anymore, it just can't cope with the huge scope. That said, the campaigns are big enough that they are pretty fun to play hotseat against yourself...you can't really keep everything that's going on in your head, although of course complete surprise is hard to achieve!
So AI won't make it on large scenarios? Is it what you say ? I was also wondering how long would an AI turn last on games with 7000+ units ... [&:][&:][&:] This might be an issue ...
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Thanks for the info but unfortunately these days 200+ order is even not an option ...ORIGINAL: matt3916
Don't forget they offer a bulk discount of 20% off on all orders over $199.

Otherwise, given the fact that large scenarios seem difficult to play, I will start to buy a squad title. Was thinking about the Soviet-Afghan war ... and will do more thinking about the Campaign game I will purchase.
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Was thinking about the Soviet-Afghan war
Or Modern War ...
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RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
That's been my experience, yes. But I still enjoy the series, the scale works well and there is a large variety of battles to choose from. Just don't expect much of a challenge from the AI in the campaign games.ORIGINAL: nukkxx5058
So AI won't make it on large scenarios? Is it what you say ?
RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
really much liking Japan '45
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So far I opted for the Modern War "squad" game. Looks real good. Like the graphics and sounds.And of course range fire 
Haven't yet decided for the "campaign" and for the "battle".

Haven't yet decided for the "campaign" and for the "battle".
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RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
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I will put in a plug for John Tiller's Campaign Series on sale here since it covers East, West, Africa & Pacific fronts.
https://www.matrixgames.com/game/john-t ... ign-series It is a steal at less than $10! I always go back to it.
And also ,given the price, couldn't resist to take this one too...
It's Christmas after all... (damned, will have to eat potatoes for the next 3 months to compensate...)
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RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
Let me know if you enjoy it. Doubting to get that to. Only the graphics 3d-ish look is withholding me
RE: Which JTS Panzer game should I buy first ?
I"ve played many of the titles and all three of the PzC PzB and SqdB levels and I would say the one that I found the most interesting has been the Panzer Battles Platoon\Company sized units and scale. You have to remember all of these titles use a very similar interface and game engine and it's been around for a long time. Squad Battles is not bad but at that level it just doesn't seem to have the detail needed to really be a tactical simulation.
I've never been a huge fan of the Normandy campaign but the improved graphics, sounds and detailed notes and OOB's make Panzer Battles Normandy a joy to play.
JTS's games are an acquired taste, but one that I seem to keep going back to reinstalling after all these years.
I've never been a huge fan of the Normandy campaign but the improved graphics, sounds and detailed notes and OOB's make Panzer Battles Normandy a joy to play.
JTS's games are an acquired taste, but one that I seem to keep going back to reinstalling after all these years.
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That's been my experience, yes. But I still enjoy the series, the scale works well and there is a large variety of battles to choose from. Just don't expect much of a challenge from the AI in the campaign games.ORIGINAL: nukkxx5058
So AI won't make it on large scenarios? Is it what you say ?
If you open the scenarios in the editor you'll see the list of AI orders. Most are either start moving to a hex on turn X or hold in place. Theyve expanded the AI functionality so you can also give orders to individual units, not just higher formations. But if you want the AI to attack aggressively you'll probably want to add some additional orders for the AI to follow.