Was Cold War really a Cold war or a myth?

[Lobster]

Every 'world order' is a disappointment. Always about greed and control. Never about the world. [;)]

[ncc1701e]

Looks like Cold war is turning hot these days. I should buy Combat Mission Black Sea.

[Zorch]

Speaking of the Cold War, Winston Churchill said ‘Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.’
https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/ ... ttributed/

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[bayonetbrant]

ORIGINAL: gamer78

Thanks for the answer. But was it Western Europe?

Yes, Western Europe. 74-77 and 83-88.

[Simulacra53]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

And Lobster it's probably been that way for 300,000 years or so.

Yeah, but they did not have thermonuclear bombs...
Current events in the Ukraine are very dangerous, powder keg 1914 dangerous.
When it starts it flies.

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: Simulacra53

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

And Lobster it's probably been that way for 300,000 years or so.

Yeah, but they did not have thermonuclear bombs...
Current events in the Ukraine are very dangerous, powder keg 1914 dangerous.
When it starts it flies.

I don't think so.

Nukes have changed everything and basically guaranteed that 1914 or 1939 won't happen again.

I think Ukraine is potentially done for, though. Last time an American armored brigade got deployed in Poland, so I suspect Ukraine will be left to die/will at most receive arms supplies/Russia will get economic sanctions again and more American troops will be deployed to eastern Nato countries.

[stuart3]

ORIGINAL: Simulacra53

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

And Lobster it's probably been that way for 300,000 years or so.

Yeah, but they did not have thermonuclear bombs...
Current events in the Ukraine are very dangerous, powder keg 1914 dangerous.
When it starts it flies.

In the 1970s people were so concerned that the UK government produced a booklet containing advice on how to survive a nuclear attack. The booklet cost 50 pence, which led to quite a few jokes about how much the advice was really worth. It explained that the effects of nuclear blasts were rated with a factor level. The advice basically was to keep doors and windows taped up and to build a makeshift bomb shelter under a heavy table, blocking in the sides with furniture and covering the top with books, etc. If I remember correctly, this was supposed to give protection from a nuclear blast up to a factor of 30.

About this time, New Scientist magazine published a much more in-depth article on the potential effects of a Soviet nuclear attack on the UK. This showed where they expected missiles to strike, how powerful they anticipated each strike to be, each of which was positioned on a map with concentric circles showing the blast factors at various ranges from each blast point.

I was intrigued to notice that their estimates put the factor of the blast nearest to me at the same level as the one that the government's home made shelters were supposed to protect me from. However New Scientist's article mentioned something that had been omitted from the 50p booklet. Yes, a home-made bomb shelter under a table might well enable me to survive the initial blast, but I could still have expected to die in agony from radiation poisoning a few weeks later.

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[Simulacra53]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

Unfortunately the whole world continues to be a mess! If it isn't Russia going to invade the Ukraine, it's China going to invade Taiwan, Iran going to make a bomb, North Korea threatening war. This on top of the fact that human induced climate change and the devastation of the natural world, which no one is really doing anything about except lots of talk and hand wringing. Enough to get you depressed, no wonder so many states are legalizing marijuana, well known for its anti-anxiety effects. HA!

Why blame the bear and dragon for biting when you constantly poke them?
We can pretend innocence, but innocence has long ago died, if it ever was alive.

No poking, no invasions.

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

Unfortunately the whole world continues to be a mess! If it isn't Russia going to invade the Ukraine, it's China going to invade Taiwan, Iran going to make a bomb, North Korea threatening war. This on top of the fact that human induced climate change and the devastation of the natural world, which no one is really doing anything about except lots of talk and hand wringing. Enough to get you depressed, no wonder so many states are legalizing marijuana, well known for its anti-anxiety effects. HA!

[:D]

[OldSarge]

I think the late U.S. cold war diplomat George Kennan summed it up nicely:

Our problem is in assessing the relative importance of the various dangers in which we move; we should not seek a total absence
of danger but balance peril against peril to find the tolerable degree of each.
-- George Kennan

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd_INC

This on top of the fact that human induced climate change and the devastation of the natural world, which no one is really doing anything about except lots of talk and hand wringing.

I hear from USA that real estate property in coasts and small islands are in high demand and for high price. So something gets done regardless of claimed climate change and resulting rise of sea level [8|]

Why blame the bear and dragon for biting when you constantly poke them?

I'm not! Is someone poking either? Oh yea, I remember something about Indian and Chinese soldiers having a border dispute with their fists, and "dragon" retreated with its tail between legs. Anything more serious than that?

[Lobster]

Politics and politicians are a boil on the butt of humanity. [:'(]

There's a bucket load of games about it. https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Politics/

To name a few. [;)]

[Lobster]

There have been lots of games about things going from cold to hot. One of my favorites from back in the day was SPI Red Star, White Star.

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[bayonetbrant]

ORIGINAL: Simulacra53

Why blame the bear and dragon for biting when you constantly poke them?

I'm sure the Philippines have been 'poking' China.

What's that? They haven't? And China is still trying to take over the Spratlys?




Hmmmm....

[Simulacra53]

ORIGINAL: bayonetbrant

ORIGINAL: Simulacra53

Why blame the bear and dragon for biting when you constantly poke them?

I'm sure the Philippines have been 'poking' China.

What's that? They haven't? And China is still trying to take over the Spratlys?




Hmmmm....

There is a lot of pretense, one side“takes over” the other pretends to have a genuine claim, or even an exceptional one.
Let’s compare global footprints.

[bayonetbrant]

OK, sure. Your apologist tendencies are now more than clear.

Have fun talking to yourself, because I don't waste time engaging in bad faith actors.

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: Simulacra53

ORIGINAL: bayonetbrant

ORIGINAL: Simulacra53

Why blame the bear and dragon for biting when you constantly poke them?

I'm sure the Philippines have been 'poking' China.

What's that? They haven't? And China is still trying to take over the Spratlys?




Hmmmm....

There is a lot of pretense, one side“takes over” the other pretends to have a genuine claim, or even an exceptional one.
Let’s compare global footprints.

You mean compare footprints of a semi-democratic country with two authoritarian countries one of which is currently committing a genocide and another is actively exporting fascism worldwide?
Both Russia and China are overtly toxic due to their history of authoritarianism and ruining socialism for the rest of the world by trying to implement it in backwards rural countries with disastrous consequences during the industrialisation phase and going the authoritarian route so they won't have as many client states as USA.