Big problem bug - some land units shifted to an hex sideways in a shock attack turn

[Diliwitm]

2- The 36ID and 2 tank units did not attacked, they are in Kaifeng

I have been thinking about what might have happened and I have a theory. I am wondering if the 36ID and the two tank units actually did take part in the battle but were not recorded in the record of the attack. The attack was clearly a large one. The units you mentioned that were in the attack included 5 infantry units and an artillery unit.
Could you please post screen shots of the combat report that lists the units in the battle (both sides) and the numbers associated with the battle (top of the report).
I have seen times when a report on a large battle did not report all of the results.
You have said that all of the units were moving in "combat" mode so the distance the 36ID moved could not have happened by the rules on movement even though the roads are excellent.
Perhaps the answer is in the numbers?
Four other questions that might be important.
1. Was this attack the first time Japanese troops entered Changchow?
2. Were Japanese bombers and recon flight covering Changchow in recent days?
3. You said there was a HQ unit and another unit in the 88-43 hex. What were those units?
4. What were the two "tank" units?
WEXF
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They did not take part in the attack.
1- yes
2- yes recon and bombing
3 - army HQ and an infantry unit
4 - tank regiments

[WEXF]

2- The 36ID and 2 tank units did not attacked, they are in Kaifeng

I have been thinking about what might have happened and I have a theory. I am wondering if the 36ID and the two tank units actually did take part in the battle but were not recorded in the record of the attack. The attack was clearly a large one. The units you mentioned that were in the attack included 5 infantry units and an artillery unit.
Could you please post screen shots of the combat report that lists the units in the battle (both sides) and the numbers associated with the battle (top of the report).
I have seen times when a report on a large battle did not report all of the results.
You have said that all of the units were moving in "combat" mode so the distance the 36ID moved could not have happened by the rules on movement even though the roads are excellent.
Perhaps the answer is in the numbers?
Four other questions that might be important.
1. Was this attack the first time Japanese troops entered Changchow?
2. Were Japanese bombers and recon flight covering Changchow in recent days?
3. You said there was a HQ unit and another unit in the 88-43 hex. What were those units?
4. What were the two "tank" units?
WEXF

They did not take part in the attack.
1- yes
2- yes recon and bombing
3 - army HQ and an infantry unit
4 - tank regiments
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I know that you said that the 36ID and the two tank units did not attack. I am asking for the screen shots to be able to calculate the actual numbers for the attack. I would like to know the specific units not just "tank regiments" or "HQ" or "infantry unit". Which tank regiments were with the 36ID? Which HQ was there? What specific units took part in the attack according to the combat report?
WEXF

[Diliwitm]

Sorry, i don't see the point and there is also data i don't want my opponent to know.

[WEXF]

Sorry, i don't see the point and there is also data i don't want my opponent to know.

I was going to look at the numbers to determine if it could be ruled out that the ID and tank units actually took part in the shock attack. The screenshots of the combat report showing the units that were listed and the numbers associated with the attack would already be known to your opponent, so if you could just post them I could still do the analysis.
WEXF

[Diliwitm]

I already told you they not attacked, they are not on the combat list. They also don't have any losses/disablements.

[WEXF]

I already told you they not attacked, they are not on the combat list. They also don't have any losses/disablements.

I know you told me that they were not in the attack. If you don't want to post the screenshots just look at the number of guns and vehicles it says your troops had in the attack and compare those numbers to the guns and vehicles the units that ARE listed in the combat have. If the guns and vehicles make sense based on the units in the attack then it is clear that the ID and tank units never were part of the attack. If they are far off by amounts that are in the TOE of the ID+tank units, it is possible that the ID and tank units may have started as part of the attack and diverted to Keifeng based on die rolls. If that happened they would not have any losses/disablements.
Looking at these numbers can eliminate that possibility for what happened.
I was offering to do the math for you but you can do it easily yourself.
Just trying to help.
WEXF