How many riders on a Tank - the proof!

Larry Holt · Post by **Larry Holt** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 8:16 pm

Tommy,

Do you have CIA connections? Great new intell!

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:30 pm

Would that be Eeyore by any chance? Eeyore would be a fitting spokesanimal for them.

11Bravo · Post by **11Bravo** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:29 pm

Originally posted by Tommy:
[QB]!!! THIS JUST IN !!!

Spy photo of Taliban AAA Donkey Model II.

Nice mountain camoflauge!

I think this finally puts to rest the necessity of emptying out the Finnish and other little used OOB's so we can include all the important and historically correct paint jobs found on ass-mounted artillary units. Some suggestions: Jungle, Pasture, Arctic, Harlequin, and the rarely seen (but important!) Octoberfest Ceremonial Full-Regalia.

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tracer · Post by **tracer** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:02 am

Originally posted by Valdor:
Those aren't riders---they're 'spaced armor'!

Nope: reactive armor. The waving gives it away.

Dave R · Post by **Dave R** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:07 am

Actually guys. You all have it wrong. Thiis is a Red Cross photo of a bunch of poor souls who have developed TankFoot! Apparently Northern Allience Medics are desperatly trying to discover the M1A1 strain of this ailment!

pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:11 pm

And why stop at the loading of AFV´s. The picture below shows that you´d be able to cram at least a couple of platoons on each heavy truck, along with all the clothes, ammo, toiletseatcovers, makeup and what ever the ww2 soldier needs to make war. Note that the trucks are Mercedez, so the troops on the picture must be german SS during the North Africa campaign!

melcer · Post by **melcer** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:29 pm

Don't forget the most important consummable for the Taliban AAA donkey, the carrot. Without, it will be great under fire but wont move to another position. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
We must hope that the talibans has run out of this most strategicaly important resource.

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:01 pm

melcer: Well obviously the solution is to bomb carrot fields then. Only problem is that they would see the strategy soon enough and then deploy one or more 'animal shields' by getting famous rabbits like Bugs Bunny and Rabbit (from Winnie the Pooh [and let's not forget the rabbit used on Captain Kangaroo]) held hostage over the most noteworthy fields.

melcer · Post by **melcer** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:24 pm

Originally posted by Charles_22:
melcer: Well obviously the solution is to bomb carrot fields then. Only problem is that they would see the strategy soon enough and then deploy one or more 'animal shields' by getting famous rabbits like Bugs Bunny and Rabbit (from Winnie the Pooh [and let's not forget the rabbit used on Captain Kangaroo]) held hostage over the most noteworthy fields.

True, what would the PC-crowd say when rabbits are being bombed. Me, i don't care that much about the rabbits as long as you GET THOSE FIELDS! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
The problem is that those fields would be the Taliban AAA donkey favourit area to be in. You have consider the probability of heavy losses among the strike pilots.

Melcer

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:06 pm

melcer: Have you ever considered the advantages of an anti-carrot missile? Sure, you could get some homegrown carrots on the jets, replace regular missiles with them, and fire them into the enemy's rear. What this would achieve, is as the donkey offensive was commencing, a lot of these missiles to the rear would confound the donkeys to follow those missiles instead. Of course the problem would be two-fold. You would have to fire enough missiles to attract the donkey to your carrots, over the one in front of them on the stick (a case of one almost in the hand/hoof to many from the Bush), or you would have to deploy super-carrots large enough in size (perhaps even decoy carrots would work) to make the one in the hoof seem meaningless.

Having thought about this more, perhaps having leaving the fighters to regular missiles would be best, and instead start the carrotkrieg by dropping them from bombers drifting down in parachutes.

Major Destruction · Post by **Major Destruction** » Sat Nov 17, 2001 11:43 am

Originally posted by Alexandra:
Let's also not forget that those guys were not under fire!

Picture an RPG, or a M-60, or even a molotov hitting one of those vehicles. You'd lose the vehicle, and 2 squads.

So, in SP terms, sure, let you mount 40 guys on a tank - if they all become casualties when it brews up! In fact, one could say that the only glaring weakness in the SP passenger system is that passendgers don't lose enough men when the vehicle explodes.

Alex

HUH!

The TRR got it's baptism of fire that morning on 15 July 1943. 1 Brigade, supported by 'A' squadron was advancing towards Grammichele, a town perched along the top of a ridge rising a hundred or more metres above the surrounding countryside (that's 300 feet or more for our American friends). The Recce troop was in the lead and infantrymen rode on the back decks of the tanks that followed close behind. As the column reached the outskirts of the town, the lead carriers and tanks were met with a sudden burst of fire from tanks and anti-tank guns belonging to the Hermann Goering Division (those SS swine!)

The squadron immediately lost a Sherman and three of it's carriers but in the ensuing fight destroyed 3 Mark III's and a number of anti-tank guns of various calibres. (hurrah! for the good guys)

The Hasty P's stormed the town with three companies and the Germans retreated, the TRR and 48th Highlanders pursuing them vigorously.

In this brief engagement ( remember this is inexperienced green useless Canadians against the battle-hardened elite veterans of the HG Division) the TRR suffered the first armoured casualties of the Italian Campaign. One trooper was killed and eight men were wounded.

Have you played the Grammichele scenario. It's a joke!

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melcer · Post by **melcer** » Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:21 pm

Originally posted by Charles_22:
melcer: Have you ever considered the advantages of an anti-carrot missile? Sure, you could get some homegrown carrots on the jets, replace regular missiles with them, and fire them into the enemy's rear. What this would achieve, is as the donkey offensive was commencing, a lot of these missiles to the rear would confound the donkeys to follow those missiles instead. Of course the problem would be two-fold. You would have to fire enough missiles to attract the donkey to your carrots, over the one in front of them on the stick (a case of one almost in the hand/hoof to many from the Bush), or you would have to deploy super-carrots large enough in size (perhaps even decoy carrots would work) to make the one in the hoof seem meaningless.

Having thought about this more, perhaps having leaving the fighters to regular missiles would be best, and instead start the carrotkrieg by dropping them from bombers drifting down in parachutes.

I'm afraid an airplane with a super-carrot would draw heavy fire since it would motivate the donkeys to much. Use guile and hide the carrots in cluster bombs then saturate the area with them. With so much "motivation" lying around they wont be of much use for a while.

Hmmm, this donkey thread is getting a little bit out of hand... <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Melcer

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Sat Nov 17, 2001 8:51 pm

melcer:

Hmmm, this donkey thread is getting a little bit out of hand...

No, it's getting a little bit out of hoof.. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I was thinking those trucks are so ridiculously overloaded, but just think of all the cover all that junk will give to the surrounding area if they're hit, much less to think of how much cover the surrouding area will get when the first man slides off.

I strongly suspect those trucks are the laundry brigade <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .

I can just see the poor drivers of those things:
"Captain, I don't know how much more she can take, we're straining at knot 5 as it is."

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pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:47 pm

And look at that one guy standing to the left on the picture! Hes going: Hmmm, I could squeese my arm in here and then I´d...no wait, I´ll put my dirty laundry in there and then...
He looks really puzzled! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
BTW, how many toilet breaks would these trucks have do make? Maybe the guy standing there just went, and now he´s trying to find those ladders to climb up again?

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:51 pm

pax27: I noticed that too, that the truck in the foreground actually has a ladder on it. It's easy enough to overlook that.

Just think how difficult a modern SPWAW would become, when those guys go messing up truck hauling capabilities because everyone would wonder why the Middle Easterners would have such enormous ratings (albeit with a signifigant speed denigration).

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 9:46 am

<img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> Come on guys this is just the Taliban version of that old college prank of trying to stuff as many people into a phone booth or a VW bug! As you can see the Taliban are cheating. There is no top to their trucks as there is to a VW/phone booth. But if thats what they are good at, who am I to complain.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 9:12 pm

Gee, 35 responses & counting. My personal best!

More Intel from our sources:

U.S. special forces troops are using pack animals to carry equipment as they work with members of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom on Nov. 12, 2001. (DoD photo) (Released)

Wow, this ABV (Armored Braying Vehicle) has more variants than an M4 chassis. Paul has his work cut out for him in revising the OOB.

<img src="wink.gif" border="0"> Tommy

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pax27 · Post by **pax27** » Tue Nov 20, 2001 3:43 pm

I noticed that the donkey has extra support for the white package (a donkey parachute?), a sort of quadpod. Could it be a support as the ones utilised by AT-Guns and Artillery?