Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor troy (A)

[witpqs]

Hmmm. Well if he gets large forces to Canton before the Amphib bonus wears out the prep will only help with the combat itself.

Australia seems like a tough nut to crack. If you have been using Tracker to help coordinate getting squads and such updated then both the Australian and New Zealand forces become tougher pretty quickly, although NZ's are still small enough to be overwhelmed.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Hmmm. Well if he gets large forces to Canton before the Amphib bonus wears out the prep will only help with the combat itself.

Australia seems like a tough nut to crack. If you have been using Tracker to help coordinate getting squads and such updated then both the Australian and New Zealand forces become tougher pretty quickly, although NZ's are still small enough to be overwhelmed.

yeah, true about Canton, I doubt that it is up high enough on his target list to do that though as one div is being moved to Noumea, one seems to be recombining on Fiji and parts of another one seem to be tasked for PM (or was that the same as one of the mentioned two? don't know).

AIF 42 squads just started to go online, means it will take roughly 7-8 weeks to be able to upgrade all my Aus divs to those squads. 55 per month and usually some 200-250 inf squads per div as it is now. So splitting them into regiments would make it possible to upgrade a rgt each day. If I would be totally desperate I could disband one of the two divs (or only a rgt of one of the divs) that show up in Aden, would leave me with enough squads to upgrade right away. Now I wouldn't really regret doing that right away but disbanding a unit means a lot of victory points for the enemy, just as if he would have destroyed the unit, which is something I don't understand as the enemy also doesn't get victory points if I disband an air unit with it's planes going into the pool which is the same as the devices of a LCU going into the pool. This is the only real reason why I don't disband ground units, with US AA units coming to mind, they all sit around horrible understrenght (33% usually). I would like to disband them to have their equipment being sent to other units that need them but I don't want to give the enemy the victory points for ground losses, as those are really high for Allied units.

We'll see, he can't take Australia in a week so we've got plenty of time to decide what will be necessary... hopefully... [:D]

[witpqs]

IIRC the CMF Inf squads are much better than the CMF Militia squads (I might have the names a bit wrong). Any upgrading you can get from Militia to Inf increases the anti-soft of the squads quite a bit.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

IIRC the CMF Inf squads are much better than the CMF Militia squads (I might have the names a bit wrong). Any upgrading you can get from Militia to Inf increases the anti-soft of the squads quite a bit.

not enough CMF squads around to upgrade the divisions. Only if I would disband a unit filled up with CMF squads but then I would be better off disbanding one rgt of the two arriving Aus Divs. Both options could be done within a couple of days though.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

Those Hong Kong DDs are terrible, they are WW1 relics. Almost not worth saving.

They do however carry mines IIRC.

But perfect for the exact use that CT used it for. You won't lose a lot of sleep if Japanese air catches it.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Hmmm. Well if he gets large forces to Canton before the Amphib bonus wears out the prep will only help with the combat itself.

Australia seems like a tough nut to crack. If you have been using Tracker to help coordinate getting squads and such updated then both the Australian and New Zealand forces become tougher pretty quickly, although NZ's are still small enough to be overwhelmed.

yeah, true about Canton, I doubt that it is up high enough on his target list to do that though as one div is being moved to Noumea, one seems to be recombining on Fiji and parts of another one seem to be tasked for PM (or was that the same as one of the mentioned two? don't know).

AIF 42 squads just started to go online, means it will take roughly 7-8 weeks to be able to upgrade all my Aus divs to those squads. 55 per month and usually some 200-250 inf squads per div as it is now. So splitting them into regiments would make it possible to upgrade a rgt each day. If I would be totally desperate I could disband one of the two divs (or only a rgt of one of the divs) that show up in Aden, would leave me with enough squads to upgrade right away. Now I wouldn't really regret doing that right away but disbanding a unit means a lot of victory points for the enemy, just as if he would have destroyed the unit, which is something I don't understand as the enemy also doesn't get victory points if I disband an air unit with it's planes going into the pool which is the same as the devices of a LCU going into the pool. This is the only real reason why I don't disband ground units, with US AA units coming to mind, they all sit around horrible understrenght (33% usually). I would like to disband them to have their equipment being sent to other units that need them but I don't want to give the enemy the victory points for ground losses, as those are really high for Allied units.

We'll see, he can't take Australia in a week so we've got plenty of time to decide what will be necessary... hopefully... [:D]

Crap! I never knew it cost VP to disband units. I have given about a million to my opponent so far...Doh! [:@]

I think the key to Australia is mobile units. You really do not have much use for American tanks early on in the game. Once I felt sure that India was safe I sent most of my tank units to Oz. Both American tanks from the Pacific and a couple of Indian tank brigades. Once they upgrade to valentines and matildas the Japanese just can't deal with Allied tanks in the open, and OZ is made for tanks.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: crsutton


Crap! I never knew it cost VP to disband units. I have given about a million to my opponent so far...Doh! [:@]

This is what it says in the manual.

Disband Unit: If located at a base with greater than 100,000 supplies or in a key base (Delhi, Auckland, Sydney, Vladivostok, San Francisco, Osaka or Tokyo), then the player may manually disband units which will return 100% of active devices to the pool and 50% of disabled devices. If in a key base this is free; if in a base with 100,000 supplies it will cost a portion of the units VP value. The player is given the option whether or not to have the unit disbanded rebuilt in 180 days as an administrative cadre.

So maybe it only costs points depending on where you disband them???

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: crsutton


Crap! I never knew it cost VP to disband units. I have given about a million to my opponent so far...Doh! [:@]

This is what it says in the manual.

Disband Unit: If located at a base with greater than 100,000 supplies or in a key base (Delhi, Auckland, Sydney, Vladivostok, San Francisco, Osaka or Tokyo), then the player may manually disband units which will return 100% of active devices to the pool and 50% of disabled devices. If in a key base this is free; if in a base with 100,000 supplies it will cost a portion of the units VP value. The player is given the option whether or not to have the unit disbanded rebuilt in 180 days as an administrative cadre.

So maybe it only costs points depending on where you disband them???

hmmm, this is interesting. Last time I disbanded a unit, IIRC at San Francisco [&:], I sure paid with vp for it as I was quite shocked about the victory points going up by a hell a lot of points. Never tried it again ever since. Anyone know if it works as in the manual?[&:]

Wonder if I lost a bigger ground combat when I disbanded a unit last time which could also have been the reason for the vp going up and I just thought it would have been from disbanding. [X(]

[castor troy]

just checked in game with the next turn, there are several bases with far more than 100,000 supplies on the map but none work to disband (unrestricted) units. So there the manual definitely isn't correct, so what about the victory points? [&:]

At San Francisco I can disband restricted units.

[castor troy]

I have disbanded a restricted West Coast division at San Francisco and it didn't show any change in victory points the same turn. Two things surprised me, I didn't expect to be able to disband restricted units and I haven't paid ANY victory points. Or do the victory points show up the next turn? I didn't end the turn, I just saved the orders phase, disbanded and then reloaded the save to give my orders.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

I have disbanded a restricted West Coast division at San Francisco and it didn't show any change in victory points the same turn. Two things surprised me, I didn't expect to be able to disband restricted units and I haven't paid ANY victory points. Or do the victory points show up the next turn? I didn't end the turn, I just saved the orders phase, disbanded and then reloaded the save to give my orders.

Hmmmmm. I will have to check but I thought one of the recent patches won't allow you to disband "white" restricted units or any unit that is due to be withdrawn. I was disbanding white restricted units in India but at some point could no longer do it. Figured michalem did that.

One of these days I am going to have to get around to reading that manual.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: castor troy

I have disbanded a restricted West Coast division at San Francisco and it didn't show any change in victory points the same turn. Two things surprised me, I didn't expect to be able to disband restricted units and I haven't paid ANY victory points. Or do the victory points show up the next turn? I didn't end the turn, I just saved the orders phase, disbanded and then reloaded the save to give my orders.

Hmmmmm. I will have to check but I thought one of the recent patches won't allow you to disband "white" restricted units or any unit that is due to be withdrawn. I was disbanding white restricted units in India but at some point could no longer do it. Figured michalem did that.

One of these days I am going to have to get around to reading that manual.

oh, it wasn't a "white" one (permanently restricted), but it was one assinged to West Coast. But I could disband it without changing it to a non restricted command.

[crsutton]

Yes, as long as it is yellow, it is possible.

[castor troy]

no pp to be paid for disbanding units in the big national bases, just disbanded a couple of AA rgts and it has cost me nothing. [:)] Disbanding in bases with 100000+ supplies doesn't work at all though.

[Dan Nichols]

From Patch 3 dated Feb 28, 2010:

89. Gameplay Change: Changed disbands to must be in national home base and can not be permently restricted then disband is free (no vp cost), in all other situations it is not allowed.

[crsutton]

thanks for looking it up Dan.

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

IIRC the CMF Inf squads are much better than the CMF Militia squads (I might have the names a bit wrong). Any upgrading you can get from Militia to Inf increases the anti-soft of the squads quite a bit.

not enough CMF squads around to upgrade the divisions. Only if I would disband a unit filled up with CMF squads but then I would be better off disbanding one rgt of the two arriving Aus Divs. Both options could be done within a couple of days though.

Disbanding parts of the divisions arriving in Aden doesn't seem like the best move to me. These units are pretty experienced, disbanding parts of them to be refilled later will lower that exp. The units in Australia are bad to begin with so rebuilding them won't hurt them. The second reason is that units in Australia are restricted, as long as there isn't a massive invasion of Australia, you're not going to be using all of them anyway, so you might as well use them as a replacement pool for your other units (though it's starting to look like you might be fighting on Australian soil soon).

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

From Patch 3 dated Feb 28, 2010:

89. Gameplay Change: Changed disbands to must be in national home base and can not be permently restricted then disband is free (no vp cost), in all other situations it is not allowed.

great catch Dan, I must have never tried since patch 3 until just now

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Smeulders

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

IIRC the CMF Inf squads are much better than the CMF Militia squads (I might have the names a bit wrong). Any upgrading you can get from Militia to Inf increases the anti-soft of the squads quite a bit.

not enough CMF squads around to upgrade the divisions. Only if I would disband a unit filled up with CMF squads but then I would be better off disbanding one rgt of the two arriving Aus Divs. Both options could be done within a couple of days though.

Disbanding parts of the divisions arriving in Aden doesn't seem like the best move to me. These units are pretty experienced, disbanding parts of them to be refilled later will lower that exp. The units in Australia are bad to begin with so rebuilding them won't hurt them. The second reason is that units in Australia are restricted, as long as there isn't a massive invasion of Australia, you're not going to be using all of them anyway, so you might as well use them as a replacement pool for your other units (though it's starting to look like you might be fighting on Australian soil soon).

Yeah, disbanding a rgt of the Aden divs wouldn't be the best one could do but if bluebook really goes for Australia then I need those AIF42 squads as those are 50% better than the CMF militia. Have found an easier way to do it though, got three dozen AIF42 squads in the pool and can upgrade an uderstrenght bgd using those squads. Then I am going to disband the bgd in Sydney which will bring my squads to something like 70-75 which is enough to upgrade a division every couple of days.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Smeulders

ORIGINAL: castor troy




not enough CMF squads around to upgrade the divisions. Only if I would disband a unit filled up with CMF squads but then I would be better off disbanding one rgt of the two arriving Aus Divs. Both options could be done within a couple of days though.

Disbanding parts of the divisions arriving in Aden doesn't seem like the best move to me. These units are pretty experienced, disbanding parts of them to be refilled later will lower that exp. The units in Australia are bad to begin with so rebuilding them won't hurt them. The second reason is that units in Australia are restricted, as long as there isn't a massive invasion of Australia, you're not going to be using all of them anyway, so you might as well use them as a replacement pool for your other units (though it's starting to look like you might be fighting on Australian soil soon).

Yeah, disbanding a rgt of the Aden divs wouldn't be the best one could do but if bluebook really goes for Australia then I need those AIF42 squads as those are 50% better than the CMF militia. Have found an easier way to do it though, got three dozen AIF42 squads in the pool and can upgrade an uderstrenght bgd using those squads. Then I am going to disband the bgd in Sydney which will bring my squads to something like 70-75 which is enough to upgrade a division every couple of days.

Yes, this is the way to do it all the way through. Upgrade smaller units like lark and gull. Then after filling them up and upgrading them disband them. The extra squads will go into the pool as upgraded squads and you can then start upgrading full divisions by doing it a brigade at a time. Realistically you are looking towards using Australian units on the offensive in 1944. With careful disbanding and considering the pitiful replacement rate and PP costs you can sustain about 4 active divisions in combat. This should be your goal. Once there is no threat to OZ focus on building four good divisions. The fully upgraded 1944 Australian divisions are very powerful and loaded with support. Very good units but you have to be very careful about replacements. Does not help that they use commonwealth devices of which there are never enough.

So many players go to great pains to reconstruct the lost Singapore brigades and divisions but quite frankly it is a waste of time and resources. Focus on building up the units you already have. You will eventually have more than you can use anyways. What with PP costs, I am in mid 44 and only have about three Australian divisions and one or two NZ brigade bought out. Just too many demands on my precious PPs.