[DWU] Balance Mod v0.9 (extended TechTree) [Cancelled in protest]

[Locarnus]

ORIGINAL: mnjiman

I think it is Locarnus's right whether or not he wants to continue working on his Mod. That is up to him, whether we like his reasoning or not. What does attacking his fundamentals do for the community besides continue to bolster our ego's? Well, I guess the majority of people here might be upset that a decent mod maker decided to stop working. That doesn't mean there are not other modders out there willing to make mods like this one. It isn't hard to do just takes time.

I mean the entire purpose of Distant Worlds Universe was to introduce a easier ability to make modifications to the game, and to share them to one another. We should be grateful to anyone who considers making these huge mods for us to further enjoy the game. Some of these mods would not even be possible without the Universe addition.

I agree though, Matrix Games have become such scammers. If you went ahead and purchased every single expansion you should have every right to the this new expansion, providing further support for a 5 year old game for free. Forcing players to pay what, 20-25 dollars after reducing the price of it. I mean, how dare they force players to pay for their hard work...

Really I hope you can tell my sarcasm at this point. The level or irony of you complaining that people are mooching off your free work as your complaining about Matrix Games not providing their work for free... wow. Its hard to imagine someone attempting to defend their position with type of argument. You are complaining about people mooching off of you... as you are complaining about that Matrix games not providing their continue support for free? That is their choice, as its your own choice to stop working on this modification that you created. People are annoyed not that you are stopping. People are not bothered that you are moving on with your life.

People are just starting to have severe aneurysms over your reasoning's and the way your attempt to communicate your thoughts to explain your choices. I stick to my very first statement. It is your right to stop your mod. That is up to you. However if you are going to go ahead and make nonsensical posts and then get pissed off at people not understanding your positioning, the only person here to blame is yourself and your fundamentals for your reasoning simply collapses.

I would not even call you a modder at this point. I would not call this mess anything relating to programming or the community. You are just a troll.

Then show me how people who own the previous addons can upgrade to Universe for 20-25$.

Oh, you cant? So your whole "argument" is based on your fantasy?

That is not even trolling, that is just nothing based on nothing.

Have fun with the vibrant community you helped to create.

[Icemania]

As recent posts have become quite personal, I would request those involved to take this back a notch. Cheers.

[dogamus]

Can we please have this topic removed or locked? It's a complete waste of time.

EDIT: I was seriously hopeful that the mod had finally been updated. I've been playing this game since release and I just now made an account on here to ask that this thread be removed. There's no point in keeping it, as the mod developer has made their decision and it is apparent that they will never change it. This thread only serves to upset the community and has no effect on the 'devs' or the 'publishers' whatsoever.

This thread should be put in the ground where it belongs.

[Icemania]

Welcome dogamus!

I would have said something earlier about the recent posts but was only made a Moderator here recently. After my request to calm down there have been no further posts so at the moment there is no reason for any further action.

I was actually expecting after my previous response this thread would probably just fade into obscurity ... !

I would encourage you to participate in other constructive topics.

[Unforeseen]

I hadn't realized Locarnus even responded

Alright so to start the game is here http://www.matrixgames.com/store/?k=dis ... gin+Search, it's been there the whole time. You made it sound as though it wasn't which is why I responded the way I did.

I believe I understand why your concerned. Universe costs more than any of the expansions because it is the expansion PLUS the original game and all previous expansions, and there appears to be no way to just get the Universe expansion. Your concern makes sense, I'm not sure that it could be considered a scam though.

For customers who haven't previously bought Distant Worlds products it's a fantastic deal at 59.99. You get the original game valued at 29.99, ROTS at 19.99, Legends and Shadows both valued 24.99 and Universe. The total for the previous titles combined before Universe is 99.96 before tax. If you buy Universe you get all of that for 59.99. I believe the cost for Universe upgrade promotion was 9.99. So we'll assume that is what they consider it's value to be. That places the total value of all titles at 109.95.

What that means is that every time a new customer purchases Distant Worlds: Universe they actually lose 49.96.

A 49.96 loss per purchase can turn into some substantial numbers especially if your seeing a lot of them. I believe this is the very reason why the upgrade is no longer available to customers who have already purchased the game. They DO technically gain 10.03 per consumer purchasing the game as a returning buyer assuming it is a 1:1 ratio. However you can assume that it's likely not the case, since the promotion allowed for a 9.99 upgrade. Many returning buyers likely upgraded during that time.

You should also consider that Universe may have been worth more than what they placed it's value at. With all these things in mind, and not knowing how many copies were sold to new customers it's entirely possible that they LOST money by selling the game this way. It's unfortunate for returning buyers like ourselves, but it benefits new customers. ALOT.

Hope that helps! [:)]

[Icemania]

For upgrade pricing there is already some discussion with Erik in this thread.

The last page or so has been completely off-topic. The topic for this thread should be this Mod. And if the Mod is cancelled ...

[Locarnus]

@Unforeseen:

The problem is, that the versions before Distant Worlds Universe were and are sold to customers with the explicit and implicit promise that they can upgrade to the latest version.

Which they can't, which fulfills the definition of a scam.
And in the link that Icemania posted, they put forth bogus reasons to just keep that injustice going, which fills their pockets.

Not only that, they did not even stop the selling of non-Universe versions, or put a disclaimer on them, warning about the non-upgradability.


As Icemania wrote, this has gone on for long enough in this thread, no new information, no changes.
So I will no longer respond to this topic in this thread.

On Icemania's request, I changed the title of the thread to cancelled.

I would prefer it if the thread just fades away to the later pages without getting locked, just in case something on topic comes up (you never know).

[Osito]

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[Bamilus]

ORIGINAL: Locarnus

ORIGINAL: Unforeseen

I was curious about his accusation of fraud and such so I looked up universe and it's been there. The entire time. It was even on sale during the holidays.

Locarnus has a point regarding retailers and really every major corporation atm, but his hostility to matrix is misplaced. There simply seems to be a misunderstanding of priorities here.

You show me how someone who bought Vanilla+RotS+Legends+Shadows can upgrade to Universe without paying full price again, and I reconsider my accessment of matrixgames as being scammers.

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Locarnus is a perfect example of why the United States is screwed in 50 years. My generation and those coming up are the most entitled pricks I have ever seen. "If I can't have it, no one will!"

Yeah, says the freeloader who thinks he is entitled to a mod he did not pay for and did not help with in any regard while insulting the mod author for having moral standards, which are the basis of every community.

Then continues on whining that there is no one left, willing to supply the free mods he feels entitled to...

You know, people like me might be a small example of why the US is failing at least since the 80s. Because people like me tend to leave when people like you get the upper hand. And people like you do not seem to be very productive except for providing even more incentives for people like me to leave...


It was a game with great potential, unfortunately dev, publisher and community were not, when it mattered. So the first is "rich", the second as well and the community is dead/virtually non-existant. I wonder who made the wrong choices...


It is always fun to come back here and see what happens, when short-sighted greed gets the upper hand. Very few get the money and do not care while the consuming masses are irrelevant, and are still defending the ideology which got them into this situation. A little like watching news about the US, from a safe distance [:'(].

I guess I have to amend to what I stated above, you are productive.
Thank you for the entertainment you provide.

*yawns*

[Icemania]

ORIGINAL: Bamilus
*yawns*

Bamilus, let's please NOT start the off-topic banter again.

[Hattori Hanzo]

all very good indeed, I like it.. !!! [;)]

[Damiac]

Hmm... any chance of someone picking this up? It'd be great to have more good mods for this game.

Locarnus, I totally get your point of view, if you found the business practices so objectionable, it makes perfect sense you wouldn't want to release a mod that helps them. You have a right to your principals, and you certainly have a right not to do free work for anyone!

But of course, we'd all be thrilled if you'd release what you have so the community could work on it. I totally understand if you don't want to, but it can't hurt to ask, right?

[Retreat1970]

Dead. For an extended research tree check out starfall, unleashed extended, research unleashed, or other mods.