Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

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I didn't design the game - ADG did. Some counters state Inf or Arm or Mot etc and some don't. The SNLF - both corps and divisions are in the latter camp.

As I said, the word Marine does not appear on the counter.

Am I doing a unit description? Yes and I am explaining at high level what these counters represent in a historical sense.

Am I forcing players to read descriptions to know what they can do? No I am not forcing anyone to do anything. The write-ups are not designed to further a players rule understanding - they are just a bit of "chrome" to be read or ignored as required. The symbol on the counter tells a player what type it is and what it can do in consultation with the unit description chart (if they do not know already).

So when a respected publication like Osprey use force and forces interchangeably they are wrong?

Re Commandos - yes, the individual units currently in operation are 40, 42, 43 and 45 commando.

So by that reckoning I suspect its, for example, the 1st Kure Special Naval Landing Force

Number 40, 42, 43 and 45 commando taken as a group all together are now called just "a British Commando"?


One U.S. Marine Corps.
One Fleet Marine Force Pacific (FMFPAC).
One Fleet Marine Force Atlantic (FMFLANT).
One U.S. 1st Marine Division.
All are Marine Amphibious Forces but are not a Marine Amphibious Force.

The counter represents a corps size unit of several Special Naval Landing Force units. It is therefore "Special Naval Landing Forces".

Marine is not on the counter because the counter itself shows it as having Marine capability (at least it does in VASSAL). It is not made up of Marines it is made up of Navy personell. Therefore Marine should NOT be in the discription.

There is absolutly NO reason to have Marine in the unit description.

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I was in the RAAF at 76SQN. We were at the same base as 3SQN, 77SQN and 2OCU but we were all in the Air Force.

I'm not buying into this debate because I think both arguments have merit. If there was only one MWiF SNLF unit then Extraneous would definitely be right, but there isn't.

In general Extraneous, your attitude gets people instinctively offside. Instead of suggesting changes, you demanded them. It's rude. I noticed you complaining on another thread recently that people weren't responding to you. That's probably because they'd rather not have anything to do with you.

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I didn't design the game - ADG did. Some counters state Inf or Arm or Mot etc and some don't. The SNLF - both corps and divisions are in the latter camp.

As I said, the word Marine does not appear on the counter.

Am I doing a unit description? Yes and I am explaining at high level what these counters represent in a historical sense.

Am I forcing players to read descriptions to know what they can do? No I am not forcing anyone to do anything. The write-ups are not designed to further a players rule understanding - they are just a bit of "chrome" to be read or ignored as required. The symbol on the counter tells a player what type it is and what it can do in consultation with the unit description chart (if they do not know already).

So when a respected publication like Osprey use force and forces interchangeably they are wrong?

Re Commandos - yes, the individual units currently in operation are 40, 42, 43 and 45 commando.

So by that reckoning I suspect its, for example, the 1st Kure Special Naval Landing Force

Number 40, 42, 43 and 45 commando taken as a group all together are now called just "a British Commando"?


One U.S. Marine Corps.
One Fleet Marine Force Pacific (FMFPAC).
One Fleet Marine Force Atlantic (FMFLANT).
One U.S. 1st Marine Division.
All are Marine Amphibious Forces but are not a Marine Amphibious Force.

The counter represents a corps size unit of several Special Naval Landing Force units. It is therefore "Special Naval Landing Forces".

Marine is not on the counter because the counter itself shows it as having Marine capability (at least it does in VASSAL). It is not made up of Marines it is made up of Navy personell. Therefore Marine should NOT be in the discription.

There is absolutly NO reason to have Marine in the unit description.

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Is there a Japanese speaker in the house!?

US Marines. They are known as the Marines. But one would say "units of the Marine Corps" - "not units of the Marines Corps"

Units and Forces in the same sentence just sounds wrong.

Mmmm still not sure about this - probably easier to change the sentence!

Re the second point, I just don't understand what you are saying and its probably better we drop this completely non-point. All I can say for the umpteenth time is that Marine IS NOT on the counter or unit description.

As I've said, the counters state SNLF, 1st SNLF Div or 2nd SNLF Div only. For symbols they have an anchor to denote Marine capability for Game Purposes.
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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

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[2175] [Japanese Special Naval Landing Force Marine]
.P Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of units of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) – which were generally deployed in numbers smaller than a brigade - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two divisions.
.P During World War II the Japanese did not operate an autonomous marine branch in the way that their US counterparts did. However they did make use of naval troops. Such troops were used to land at key points – often ahead of a larger force – to seize key objectives.
.P The forerunners of the SNLF (Tokubetsu Rikusentai) were used for the first time during the fighting against Russia at the start of the 20th Century. Having proved their worth there and later in Manchuria, the Japanese began raising SNLF units at each of their four main naval bases.
.P The following units fought during World War II:
.P Kure naval base: 1st Kure SNLF, 2nd Kure, 3rd Kure, 5th Kure, 6th Kure and 7th Kure
.P Maizuru naval base: 1st Maizuru SNLF, 2nd Maizuru, 4th Maizuru and 5th Maizuru
.P Sasebo naval base: 1st Sasebo SNLF, 2nd Sasebo, 5th Sasebo, 6th Sasebo, 7th Sasebo and 8th Sasebo
.P Yokosuka naval base: 1st Yokosuka SNLF, 2nd Yokosuka, 3rd Yokosuka, 4th Yokosuka, 5th Yokosuka, 6th Yokosuka and 7th Yokosuka
.P In addition to the above, there were small Guard detachments that were based at other key ports and rivers such as Ryojun, Shanghai, Yangtse, Hankow and Canton.
.P The SNLF units varied in size. At most, a single unit was likely to contain no more than 1,600 men – roughly two battalions in size. The smallest units contained around 750 men. For some operations, two units could combine to form a brigade sized outfit. The 1st and 3rd Yokosuka SNLF’s were both airborne trained.
.P The division counters 2171 and 2172 provide details of some of the individual operations of the SNLF and these show at high level, how important these elite units were in the early stages of the war as the Japanese sought to expand their empire.
.P By June 1942, once the Japanese advance had been checked, the need for these troops was no longer as important. From elite, special purpose troops, they became nothing more than garrison troops that were, in many cases, annihilated as they sought to defend outposts in the Pacific; outposts that were taken one by one by the US juggernaut.

Is this exactly the way the write up is viewed by the player?

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[2175] [Japanese Special Naval Landing Force Marine]
.P Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of units of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) – which were generally deployed in numbers smaller than a brigade - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two divisions.
.P During World War II the Japanese did not operate an autonomous marine branch in the way that their US counterparts did. However they did make use of naval troops. Such troops were used to land at key points – often ahead of a larger force – to seize key objectives.
.P The forerunners of the SNLF (Tokubetsu Rikusentai) were used for the first time during the fighting against Russia at the start of the 20th Century. Having proved their worth there and later in Manchuria, the Japanese began raising SNLF units at each of their four main naval bases.
.P The following units fought during World War II:
.P Kure naval base: 1st Kure SNLF, 2nd Kure, 3rd Kure, 5th Kure, 6th Kure and 7th Kure
.P Maizuru naval base: 1st Maizuru SNLF, 2nd Maizuru, 4th Maizuru and 5th Maizuru
.P Sasebo naval base: 1st Sasebo SNLF, 2nd Sasebo, 5th Sasebo, 6th Sasebo, 7th Sasebo and 8th Sasebo
.P Yokosuka naval base: 1st Yokosuka SNLF, 2nd Yokosuka, 3rd Yokosuka, 4th Yokosuka, 5th Yokosuka, 6th Yokosuka and 7th Yokosuka
.P In addition to the above, there were small Guard detachments that were based at other key ports and rivers such as Ryojun, Shanghai, Yangtse, Hankow and Canton.
.P The SNLF units varied in size. At most, a single unit was likely to contain no more than 1,600 men – roughly two battalions in size. The smallest units contained around 750 men. For some operations, two units could combine to form a brigade sized outfit. The 1st and 3rd Yokosuka SNLF’s were both airborne trained.
.P The division counters 2171 and 2172 provide details of some of the individual operations of the SNLF and these show at high level, how important these elite units were in the early stages of the war as the Japanese sought to expand their empire.
.P By June 1942, once the Japanese advance had been checked, the need for these troops was no longer as important. From elite, special purpose troops, they became nothing more than garrison troops that were, in many cases, annihilated as they sought to defend outposts in the Pacific; outposts that were taken one by one by the US juggernaut.

Is this exactly the way the write up is viewed by the player?

warspite1

No - this is how it is viewed

Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of units of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) – which were generally deployed in numbers smaller than a brigade - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two divisions.

During World War II the Japanese did not operate an autonomous marine branch in the way that their US counterparts did. However they did make use of naval troops. Such troops were used to land at key points – often ahead of a larger force – to seize key objectives.

The forerunners of the SNLF (Tokubetsu Rikusentai) were used for the first time during the fighting against Russia at the start of the 20th Century. Having proved their worth there and later in Manchuria, the Japanese began raising SNLF units at each of their four main naval bases.

The following units fought during World War II:

Kure naval base: 1st Kure SNLF, 2nd Kure, 3rd Kure, 5th Kure, 6th Kure and 7th Kure

Maizuru naval base: 1st Maizuru SNLF, 2nd Maizuru, 4th Maizuru and 5th Maizuru

Sasebo naval base: 1st Sasebo SNLF, 2nd Sasebo, 5th Sasebo, 6th Sasebo, 7th Sasebo and 8th Sasebo

Yokosuka naval base: 1st Yokosuka SNLF, 2nd Yokosuka, 3rd Yokosuka, 4th Yokosuka, 5th Yokosuka, 6th Yokosuka and 7th Yokosuka

In addition to the above, there were small Guard detachments that were based at other key ports and rivers such as Ryojun, Shanghai, Yangtse, Hankow and Canton.

The SNLF units varied in size. At most, a single unit was likely to contain no more than 1,600 men – roughly two battalions in size. The smallest units contained around 750 men. For some operations, two units could combine to form a brigade sized outfit. The 1st and 3rd Yokosuka SNLF’s were both airborne trained.

The division counters 2171 and 2172 provide details of some of the individual operations of the SNLF and these show at high level, how important these elite units were in the early stages of the war as the Japanese sought to expand their empire.

By June 1942, once the Japanese advance had been checked, the need for these troops was no longer as important. From elite, special purpose troops, they became nothing more than garrison troops that were, in many cases, annihilated as they sought to defend outposts in the Pacific; outposts that were taken one by one by the US juggernaut.
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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

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I will supply a link to the Ospry book since you didn't. Ospry is the best provider of military prints for painting for miniatures war games.

Special Naval Landing Forces published by Qsprey

"Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of units of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) - which were generally deployed in numbers smaller than a brigade - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two divisions."

"Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces (SNLF or Tokubetsu Rikusentai) - which were generally deployed in units of a brigade or smaller - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two division counters."

"the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) - which were generally deployed"

When using a singular subject you can't use "were".

You can use either
"the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces (SNLF) - which were generally deployed" or
"the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) - which was generally deployed"

"During World War II the Japanese did not operate an autonomous marine branch in the way that their US counterparts did."

"During World War II the Japanese did not operate their landing forces as an separate marine force."
"The forerunners of the SNLF (Tokubetsu Rikusentai) were used for the first time during the fighting against Russia at the start of the 20th Century. Having proved their worth there and later in Manchuria, the Japanese began raising SNLF units at each of their four main naval bases."

"The SNLF were first used during "the Shanghai Incident" which was a short war between the Republic of China and the Empire of Japan (January 28 - March 3, 1932). Having proved their worth there and later in Manchuria, the Japanese began raising SNLF units at each of their four main naval bases."
"The following units fought during World War II:

Kure naval base: 1st Kure SNLF, 2nd Kure, 3rd Kure, 5th Kure, 6th Kure and 7th Kure

Maizuru naval base: 1st Maizuru SNLF, 2nd Maizuru, 4th Maizuru and 5th Maizuru

Sasebo naval base: 1st Sasebo SNLF, 2nd Sasebo, 5th Sasebo, 6th Sasebo, 7th Sasebo and 8th Sasebo

Yokosuka naval base: 1st Yokosuka SNLF, 2nd Yokosuka, 3rd Yokosuka, 4th Yokosuka, 5th Yokosuka, 6th Yokosuka and 7th Yokosuka

In addition to the above, there were small Guard detachments that were based at other key ports and rivers such as Ryojun, Shanghai, Yangtse, Hankow and Canton."



"All of the SNLF's bore the name of a major Japanese naval base for administrative purposes. The following units fought during World War II
1st Kure SNLF (Landing at Legaspi, Philippines), 2nd Kure (Landing at Jolo Island, Philippines), 3rd Kure, 5th Kure, 6th Kure and 7th Kure.

1st Maizuru SNLF, 2nd Maizuru (Landing at Wake Island), 4th Maizuru and 5th Maizuru.

1st Sasebo SNLF (Landing on Menado, Celebes), 2nd Sasebo, 5th Sasebo, 6th Sasebo, 7th Sasebo and 8th Sasebo.

1st Yokosuka (Parachuted onto Menado airfield, Celebes), 2nd Yokosuka (landings at Miri, Seria, and Lutong, Sarawak), 3rd Yokosuka (landing at Koepang, Timor Island), 4th Yokosuka, 5th Yokosuka, 6th Yokosuka and 7th Yokosuka."

References (both sites show diferent information from the same sorce)
Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces by Mike Yaklitch, Allan Alsleben and Akira Takizawa

Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces by Mike Yaklitch, Allan Alsleben and Akira Takizawa
Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces (SNLF or Tokubetsu Rikusentai) - which were generally deployed in units of a brigade or smaller - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two division counters.

During World War II the Japanese did not operate their landing forces as an separate marine force. However they did make use of naval troops. Such troops were used to land at key points - often ahead of a larger force - to seize key objectives.

The SNLF were first used during "the Shanghai Incident" which was a short war between the Republic of China and the Empire of Japan (January 28 - March 3, 1932). Having proved their worth there and later in Manchuria, the Japanese began raising SNLF units at each of their four main naval bases.

All of the SNLF's bore the name of a major Japanese naval base for administrative purposes. The following units fought during World War II:

1st Kure (landing at Legaspi, Philippines), 2nd Kure (landing at Jolo Island, Philippines), 3rd Kure, 5th Kure, 6th Kure and 7th Kure.

1st Maizuru, 2nd Maizuru (landing at Wake Island), 4th Maizuru and 5th Maizuru.

1st Sasebo (landing on Menado, Celebes), 2nd Sasebo, 5th Sasebo, 6th Sasebo, 7th Sasebo and 8th Sasebo.

1st Yokosuka (Parachuted onto Menado airfield, Celebes), 2nd Yokosuka (landings at Miri, Seria, and Lutong, Sarawak), 3rd Yokosuka (landing at Koepang, Timor Island), 4th Yokosuka, 5th Yokosuka, 6th Yokosuka and 7th Yokosuka.

In addition to the above, there were small guard detachments that were based at other key ports and rivers such as Ryojun, Shanghai, Yangtse, Hankow and Canton.

The SNLF units varied in size. At most, a single unit was likely to contain no more than 1,600 men - roughly two battalions in size. The smallest units contained around 750 men. For some operations, two units could combine to form a brigade sized outfit. The 1st and 3rd Yokosuka SNLF’s were both parachute trained.

The division counters 2171 and 2172 provide details of some of the individual operations of the SNLF and these show at high level, how important these elite units were in the early stages of the war as the Japanese sought to expand their empire.

By June 1942, once the Japanese advance had been checked, the need for these troops was no longer as important. From elite, special purpose troops, they became nothing more than garrison troops that were, in many cases, annihilated as they sought to defend outposts in the Pacific; outposts that were taken one by one by the US juggernaut.
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"the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) - which were generally deployed"

When using a singular subject you can't use "were".

You can use either
"the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces (SNLF) - which were generally deployed" or
"the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) - which was generally deployed"
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I wasn't. I was talking about units. Please re-read the sentence.

Good catch on Guard (guard) though. I also prefer parachute to airborne too - I will amend.



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Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of units of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) – which were generally deployed in numbers smaller than a brigade - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two divisions.

It doesn't sound right because of the way you use the word "unit" and "units" in the same sentence.

Your subject should be the SNLF not units. That is why I edited the sentence to...


Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces (SNLF or Tokubetsu Rikusentai) - which were generally deployed in units of a brigade or smaller - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two division counters.


Kaigun ~ Naval
Tokubetsu ~ Special
Rikusentai ~ Landing Force


Kaigun Tokubetsu Rikusentai ~ Naval Special Landing Force
Kaigun Rikusentai ~ Naval Landing Force
Tokubetsu Rikusentai ~ Special Landing Force


Note: There are some words English that have no counterpart in Japanese. I do not know if "Rikusentai" has a plural or it can be assumed when needed. Japanese grammar is different than English grammar.

Kanjidict 1.7.2

This is the best site I can find for translating romanji (Romanized Japanese) to English and it only does it on a word for word basis.
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Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of units of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Force (SNLF) – which were generally deployed in numbers smaller than a brigade - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two divisions.

It doesn't sound right because of the way you use the word "unit" and "units" in the same sentence.

Your subject should be the SNLF not units. That is why I edited the sentence to...


Due to the scale of World in Flames and the unit sizes in play, the depiction of the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces (SNLF or Tokubetsu Rikusentai) - which were generally deployed in units of a brigade or smaller - has to be necessarily ahistorical. It is right that these units are included within the game however. World in Flames allows the Japanese player to build one SNLF corps and two division counters.


Kaigun ~ Naval
Tokubetsu ~ Special
Rikusentai ~ Landing Force


Kaigun Tokubetsu Rikusentai ~ Naval Special Landing Force
Kaigun Rikusentai ~ Naval Landing Force
Tokubetsu Rikusentai ~ Special Landing Force


Note: There are some words English that have no counterpart in Japanese. I do not know if "Rikusentai" has a plural or it can be assumed when needed. Japanese grammar is different than English grammar.

Kanjidict 1.7.2

This is the best site I can find for translating romanji (Romanized Japanese) to English and it only does it on a word for word basis.
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Okay I will take an executive decision [:)] and end it there.

I guess neither of us know 100% what the answer is and so I will go with what I think is right. My subject in that sentence is most definitely the units, and not the SNLF, if we can't agree on that I guess the grammar is secondary [;)]
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How original, a unit write up on units.
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How original, a unit write up on units.

Actually, 'Special Units'.
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How original, a unit write up on units.

Actually, 'Special Units'.

No he said his subject was "the Units" not "Special Units".
ORIGINAL: warspite1

My subject in that sentence is most definitely the units, and not the SNLF, if we can't agree on that I guess the grammar is secondary

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How original, a unit write up on units.
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Oh dear....... Why? Why? You just can't help yourself can you? What was controversial about my statement?

I am writing about the SNLF. This was was made up of individual units and in one sentence I referred to those units rather than the SNLF as a whole and you get all sarcastic. So what are you saying? If I write about a corps I cannot mention the divisions within? If I write about a division I cannot mention the battalions and brigades? I just do not understand you.

I have found your assistance with the write-ups really helpful and have always been happy to say so publicly. But you just seem incapable of letting any point go. Its pathological - the need to have the last word all the time.

Okay. I'm wrong and you have been right about everything all along - I trust that satisfies.
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How original, a unit write up on units.
warspite1

Oh dear....... Why? Why? You just can't help yourself can you? What was controversial about my statement?

I am writing about the SNLF. This was was made up of individual units and in one sentence I referred to those units rather than the SNLF as a whole and you get all sarcastic. So what are you saying? If I write about a corps I cannot mention the divisions within? If I write about a division I cannot mention the battalions and brigades? I just do not understand you.

I have found your assistance with the write-ups really helpful and have always been happy to say so publicly. But you just seem incapable of letting any point go. Its pathological - the need to have the last word all the time.

Okay. I'm wrong and you have been right about everything all along - I trust that satisfies.

I are sorry. Your grammer were not important anymore subject not important ma to.

Figure it out you.

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How original, a unit write up on units.
warspite1

Oh dear....... Why? Why? You just can't help yourself can you? What was controversial about my statement?

I am writing about the SNLF. This was was made up of individual units and in one sentence I referred to those units rather than the SNLF as a whole and you get all sarcastic. So what are you saying? If I write about a corps I cannot mention the divisions within? If I write about a division I cannot mention the battalions and brigades? I just do not understand you.

I have found your assistance with the write-ups really helpful and have always been happy to say so publicly. But you just seem incapable of letting any point go. Its pathological - the need to have the last word all the time.

Okay. I'm wrong and you have been right about everything all along - I trust that satisfies.

I are sorry. Your grammer were not important anymore subject not important ma to.

Figure it out you.


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Going through the write-ups I was surprised to see no Danish write-up so here it goes:

[2677] [Danish Copenhagen Militia - by Robert Jenkins]
.P The Danish Army in World War II is represented by this solitary, low value counter with the name "Copenhagen Militia".
.P In the late thirties, with Adolf Hitler becoming ever more bold in his territorial ambition, the Danish government sought to increase the country's defence forces. At the time of the German invasion of Denmark on the 9th April 1940 - Operation Weserübung-Sud - the Danish Army consisted of the following:
.P A general headquarters under which there were two infantry divisions, each with four infantry regiments, one cavalry regiment, 1 or 2 artillery regiments, and supporting engineer and anti-aircraft battalions. In detail these were:
.B Jutland Division: 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 7th Infantry Regiments, Jutland Dragoon Regiment, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment, 14th Anti-Aircraft (AA) battalion and 2nd Engineer Battalion.
.B Zealand Division: 1st, 4th, 5th and Guards Infantry Regiments, Guards Hussars Regiment, 1st and 2nd Field Artillery Regiment, 13th AA Battalion and 1st Engineer Battalion.
.P In addition, seven companies of infantry were employed as garrison troops on the island of Bornholm.
.P At full strength (c.85,000 men), these forces could have presented a strong, if ultimately short-term, barrier to any aggressor. However the army that faced the German attack contained nothing like this level of manpower.
.P After Poland was invaded in September 1939, so starting World War II, the Danish government ordered a partial mobilisation of its reservists. Unfortunately these men were then released from duty at the height of the "phoney war". As a result, the Danish Army at the time of the subsequent German attack, stood at less than 15,000 men - many of whom were not fully trained. None of the units, except one AA battalion, was up to strength.
.P In consequence of the above and the Danish government's decisions that day, the German attack on Denmark proved to be the briefest ground campaign in the history of warfare. The Danes had forewarning of the attack. The Danish ambassador had been told by the Germans themselves, the latter assuring him that the Germans were only coming to the Danes assistance to stop a Franco-British attack!
.P The invasion began at 0415hrs on 9th April 1940. Despite knowledge of what was about to happen the Danish armed forces were not ordered to take up defensive positions. Even at this late stage the government was hoping that by not provoking the Germans they would not attack.
.P The Germans launched a co-ordinated strike; on land from across the border in the south of the country; from the air paratroopers were landed in key places and the tiny Danish airforce was practically wiped out on the ground; and more troops were debarked from ships. The most important of the seaborne attacks being that of a battalion of troops from the 308th Regiment that were onboard the German vessel Hansestadt Danzig in Copenhagen harbour. The troops swiftly debarked and, after surprising the port's garrison troops, headed straight for the Amalienborg Palace.
After a brief firefight between the Germans and troops from the King's Life Guard, the Danish King, Christian X, against the wishes of the Commander of the Army, General William Prior, decided that further fighting was pointless. At 0700hrs the order was given to cease firing.
.P The Danes lost 16 men killed and 20 wounded. The number of Germans lost has never been ascertained, but it is widely believed that their casualties were considerably more than their enemy.
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warspite1

Oh dear....... Why? Why? You just can't help yourself can you? What was controversial about my statement?

I am writing about the SNLF. This was was made up of individual units and in one sentence I referred to those units rather than the SNLF as a whole and you get all sarcastic. So what are you saying? If I write about a corps I cannot mention the divisions within? If I write about a division I cannot mention the battalions and brigades? I just do not understand you.

I have found your assistance with the write-ups really helpful and have always been happy to say so publicly. But you just seem incapable of letting any point go. Its pathological - the need to have the last word all the time.

Okay. I'm wrong and you have been right about everything all along - I trust that satisfies.

I are sorry. Your grammar were not important anymore subject not important ma to.

Figure it out you.


This is why you should drink after you post.

Zorachus99 I know this is beyond your comprehension but I will try to reach your level of understanding.

When speaking or writing you are to try and match the level of comprehension of your audience. Since warspite1 chose to forgo grammar I wrote so he can understand.

I wrote to warspite1's level of comprehension.

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Interesting... an idiot who can discern levels of comprehension.
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Interesting... an idiot who can discern levels of comprehension.

And now we hear from the troll paulderynck putting in his worthless two cents.
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I are sorry. Your grammar were not important anymore subject not important ma to.

Figure it out you.


This is why you should drink after you post.

Zorachus99 I know this is beyond your comprehension but I will try to reach your level of understanding.

When speaking or writing you are to try and match the level of comprehension of your audience. Since warspite1 chose to forgo grammar I wrote so he can understand.

I wrote to warspite1's level of comprehension.

warspite1

I could quite justifiably get a tad miffed at that comment. But I do not wish to fall out with you and so would instead ask you please to explain what exactly the issue is with the unit / units.

No I am not talking about the SNLF Force / Forces as clearly neither of us are experts and we have to agree to disagree.

I am talking about post 2327 and the latest subject of your ire and which has led to the latest unpleasantness.
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