The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

So what happened to all those guys willing to die for the emperor?

Did they?

Combat reports leave so much to be desired.

Set us up with great anticipation waiting to see what happens and.........(crickets chirping)...................NOTHING! [:@]

What altitude did they go in at? I have always operated under the general forum wisdom of dive bombing needing to be set between 10k-14k. I set mine at 12k typically.

They will dive bomb from 15K too.

Those pilots did die along with the planes, they just couldn't hit the target. I wonder if they use their lowNav skill, which is probably pretty poor, but offset by most likely high experience high defense pilots.

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: obvert

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
4 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

Banzai! - Kawakubo I. in a D4Y4 Judy is willing to die for the Emperor
Banzai! - Matsuyama I. in a D4Y4 Judy is willing to die for the Emperor
Banzai! - Shiga E. in a D4Y4 Judy is willing to die for the Emperor
Banzai! - Kamisaka S. in a D4Y4 Judy is willing to die for the Emperor

What is up with the crazy high altitude drop?[&:]

I hadn't noticed that! I'd have to watch again, but those were probably it by flak, and maybe it gives that message when they convert to Kamis after being hit at 10k?

Or on the approach they just got hit and dropped from there? [&:]

My limited interpretation of the variable altitude that dive bombers release at is related to pilot EXP, and that it effects accuracy.

A high EXP pilot is more likely to pass the rolls to "ride the bomb down" to a lower altitude before releasing the payload, and thus have higher bomb accuracy. A lower EXP pilot is not as likely to have the nerve to go the extra 7k feet.

You can see it with the KB pilots, they're quite happy to ride the bombs down to 1000ft before dropping.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing
A high EXP pilot is more likely to pass the rolls to "ride the bomb down" to a lower altitude before releasing the payload, and thus have higher bomb accuracy. A lower EXP pilot is not as likely to have the nerve to go the extra 7k feet.

Would be funny if the pilots chickened out dropping from 10k, and then had a surge of righteousness and kimikazed [:D]

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: mind_messing
A high EXP pilot is more likely to pass the rolls to "ride the bomb down" to a lower altitude before releasing the payload, and thus have higher bomb accuracy. A lower EXP pilot is not as likely to have the nerve to go the extra 7k feet.

Would be funny if the pilots chickened out dropping from 10k, and then had a surge of righteousness and kimikazed [:D]

My understanding is that that transition is linked to damage.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: mind_messing
A high EXP pilot is more likely to pass the rolls to "ride the bomb down" to a lower altitude before releasing the payload, and thus have higher bomb accuracy. A lower EXP pilot is not as likely to have the nerve to go the extra 7k feet.

Would be funny if the pilots chickened out dropping from 10k, and then had a surge of righteousness and kimikazed [:D]

My understanding is that that transition is linked to damage.

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It was a bumpy ride up there with late war Allied flak. This is also where the IJN strike planes suffer without armor more and more as the game goes on.

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[font="Times New Roman"]July 31, 1945[/font]

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The Allies get a bit frustrated with Manila CAP and decide to use strategic assets here. Not a lot I can do when B-29s are hitting outlying bases at night. This is why I dislike night bombing in game (either side). He sneaks under the 50 plane HR we have on night bombing airfields and ports, but with B-29s it doesn't really matter. The Allies manage to hit for about 50 airframes and 80+ hits to the fields in thunderstorms.

Ok. Bitching done. I know this is an option and I placed fighters here in numbers. It's on me and I just have to ensure there are NF and flak present from now on.

So the fun's over on Luzon and I'll bug out with virtually everything I can. The day sweeps and strikes did a bunch more damage. I did manage to get 2/3 of the fuel and oil out in the past few days, although some of course was lost in the air strikes.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 31, 1945
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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 7 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 4 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 3 destroyed on ground
E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed on ground
E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 7
Ki-83 x 8
Ki-100-II Tony x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed on ground
E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 5 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Now for the more important news!

SOVIETS ARE ACTIVE!!!

It's August. It's 1945. The A-bombs are coming. Tokyo? Osaka?

The accumulation of VPs is going to accelerate now with huge tank divisions rolling across Manchuria and more and more strategic bombing coming into play, as well as the Pacific gap narrowing with Luzon captured and nearby islands threatened. The dark days are upon us, and winter is coming.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

[font="Times New Roman"]July 31, 1945[/font]

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The Allies get a bit frustrated with Manila CAP and decide to use strategic assets here. Not a lot I can do when B-29s are hitting outlying bases at night. This is why I dislike night bombing in game (either side). He sneaks under the 50 plane HR we have on night bombing airfields and ports, but with B-29s it doesn't really matter. The Allies manage to hit for about 50 airframes and 80+ hits to the fields in thunderstorms.

Petes on night CAP.[:D] What do you have, like 22 night fighter squadrons?

Looks like there was pretty good AA there.

I saw a HR with Mr. Kane/Wargamer where no 4E night bombing of runways and ports. Not sure what I think of that....might want to give an exception to the Soviets and the British. Haven't really thought on it too much.

One of the worst results of night bombing is the dispersal of Japanese fighter defenses.

I agree there should be a bigger weather penalty, or more frequent cancellations.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: obvert

[font="Times New Roman"]July 31, 1945[/font]

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The Allies get a bit frustrated with Manila CAP and decide to use strategic assets here. Not a lot I can do when B-29s are hitting outlying bases at night. This is why I dislike night bombing in game (either side). He sneaks under the 50 plane HR we have on night bombing airfields and ports, but with B-29s it doesn't really matter. The Allies manage to hit for about 50 airframes and 80+ hits to the fields in thunderstorms.

Petes on night CAP.[:D] What do you have, like 22 night fighter squadrons?

Looks like there was pretty good AA there.

I saw a HR with Mr. Kane/Wargamer where no 4E night bombing of runways and ports. Not sure what I think of that....might want to give an exception to the Soviets and the British. Haven't really thought on it too much.

One of the worst results of night bombing is the dispersal of Japanese fighter defenses.

I agree there should be a bigger weather penalty, or more frequent cancellations.

Well, I'm not even sure I have Petes left in this one! They might have done something, but NF are all up where they can defend the really critical Strat bases and big airfields in the HI/China/Manchuria.

This was just a cheap CAP trap so I shouldn't complain really. It just brings up the long standing dislike for this one very small (but important) aspect of the game design. I know I've got the benefit of crazy airframes and top notch pilots at a time when 14 year old Japanese boys should be flying bi-plane trainers.

Curious how the Soviet air forces will be used. i'e set some sweeps. Wanted to get a feel before anything too crazy. I bet he'll make good se of them though. It's another 1,000 fighters and 1,000 bombers to contend with.

[Lecivius]

ORIGINAL: obvert
The dark days are upon us, and winter is coming.

Just watch out for the girl hiding in the back!

[Capt. Harlock]

ORIGINAL:


It's August. It's 1945. The A-bombs are coming. Tokyo? Osaka?

I think after those massive fires, we can rule out Sapporo.

[mind_messing]

This is why I dislike night bombing in game (either side). He sneaks under the 50 plane HR we have on night bombing airfields and ports, but with B-29s it doesn't really matter

I've done a 180 degree turn on night bombing.

I used to have the exact same frame of mind as you, but it was the wrong mindset for a truly enjoyable game. No number of house rules will remove the fact that there's three air phases in the game: Night, AM and PM.

Ignoring a third of the air war hurts the game and makes players sloppy. Like in this instance - no night CAP at all. Dispersed airbases, rail lines, surging squadrons back and forth from reserve bases.

You don't need to house-rule night bombing, you just need sufficent investment in night-time CAP. Not just dedicated NF either, but as robust a CAP as you'd put up in the day-time. That always is a sore point for resource scarce Japan, but it's the case.

This is the Allied counter-move to massed IJ air assets concentrated at a few major airbases. It's the right move to make.

Fighting the B-29s on airbase attack as Japan is difficult, but it should always be done. You know yourself that the B-29 is a temperamental airframe to keep operational through combat. You'll never straight up trade 1:1 on B-29s, but you dont need to. Ops takes it toll, and a damaged B-29 isn't going to be operational for weeks.

The damage B-29s can do is extreme, but it's only as such when unopposed. If there is the same emphasis on night air combat as night air combat, such extreme results would be rare. The Allies can throw enough B-29s to make a base unusable, but better that they fly at night. Some get lost, some don't fly, some crash. Others miss the target or get disrupted by flak or night CAP. All of these are positive outcomes for Japan when the Allies decide to deploy their most flexible air asset.

Fighting B-29s (and night bombing in general) is all about that tactical loss for a strategic gain. Sure, your tactical position on the frontline was degraded, but that's an Allied asset that isn't targeting a strategic one for the next week or so.

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

ORIGINAL:


It's August. It's 1945. The A-bombs are coming. Tokyo? Osaka?

I think after those massive fires, we can rule out Sapporo.

Yeah. All of that to hit about 50 remaining intact factories/resources.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

This is why I dislike night bombing in game (either side). He sneaks under the 50 plane HR we have on night bombing airfields and ports, but with B-29s it doesn't really matter

I've done a 180 degree turn on night bombing.

I have no problem with night bombing most things. Only airfields and ports. And then I think it's fine if limited.

You don't need to house-rule night bombing, you just need sufficent investment in night-time CAP. Not just dedicated NF either, but as robust a CAP as you'd put up in the day-time. That always is a sore point for resource scarce Japan, but it's the case.

This is the Allied counter-move to massed IJ air assets concentrated at a few major airbases. It's the right move to make.

Fighting the B-29s on airbase attack as Japan is difficult, but it should always be done. You know yourself that the B-29 is a temperamental airframe to keep operational through combat. You'll never straight up trade 1:1 on B-29s, but you dont need to. Ops takes it toll, and a damaged B-29 isn't going to be operational for weeks.

The damage B-29s can do is extreme, but it's only as such when unopposed. If there is the same emphasis on night air combat as night air combat, such extreme results would be rare. The Allies can throw enough B-29s to make a base unusable, but better that they fly at night. Some get lost, some don't fly, some crash. Others miss the target or get disrupted by flak or night CAP. All of these are positive outcomes for Japan when the Allies decide to deploy their most flexible air asset.

Fighting B-29s (and night bombing in general) is all about that tactical loss for a strategic gain. Sure, your tactical position on the frontline was degraded, but that's an Allied asset that isn't targeting a strategic one for the next week or so.

Got all that already. I've played through this phase before. As I said earlier, this is on me. It's an outlying base, but it clarifies how much I dislike the way the game deals with night bombing results against airfields and ports.

The HR is 50 planes per base per turn. It doesn't stop it, as shown here. This was within the rules. It's just kinda dumb in a game from this era, early for Japan or late for the Allies. I've experienced much worse though.

The reason he's bombing down here is that virtually all of the bases up North do have NF and heavy flak present. My laziness here was not counting hexes on range of B-29s from China. My bad as I said earlier.

[mind_messing]

I have no problem with night bombing most things. Only airfields and ports. And then I think it's fine if limited.

As I said, night bombing is the counter the Allies have to entrenched IJ air power. Limiting that severely upsets the tactical options the Allies have to break down IJ airpower.

"Death by B-29" for ports and airbases is unfortunate, but it can be avoided with diligent planning and deployments. Taking that from the Allied toolbox and it stalls the air war in a way that heavily favours Japan.

The fact that the Allies night bomb at all is a net win for Japan, given the massive decrease to sorties that results from night operations.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I have no problem with night bombing most things. Only airfields and ports. And then I think it's fine if limited.

As I said, night bombing is the counter the Allies have to entrenched IJ air power. Limiting that severely upsets the tactical options the Allies have to break down IJ airpower.

"Death by B-29" for ports and airbases is unfortunate, but it can be avoided with diligent planning and deployments. Taking that from the Allied toolbox and it stalls the air war in a way that heavily favours Japan.

The fact that the Allies night bomb at all is a net win for Japan, given the massive decrease to sorties that results from night operations.

I completely understand your position. I simply disagree.

The air war is not stalled. With the HR we are using he can strike with all of those B-29s to hit many bases every turn, just not 350 on one base. Results become unmanageable for either side with large numbers, as is true for many aspects of the game design.

I am not a player who plays for historical accuracy, but I like it when the tools used in game do reflect some of their actual period capability. A bit skewed is fine, but since neither side actually got results bombing airfields or ports at night in any part of the war, this seems like one part of the game that can be given a limitation. The limitation still allows for unhistorically damaging night bombing. Just not catastrophically unhistorical night bombing. [:)]

If the Allies could night bomb with this kind of accuracy they would never have risked daylight bombing at all. None of Rabaul's field should have lasted more than a few weeks, and every ship in the port would have been sunk in a few B-17 raids. Kamakazes would have never been an issue because all of the fields would have been closed and the planes destroyed on the ground at night.

[HansBolter]

The few times I have tried bombing airfields with B29s have resulted in abysmal performances.

Heck, I can't even get them to hit individual strategic targets like distinct factories with any degree of accuracy.

They only seem to be good at area bombing hitting manpower.

What are these other players doing to get such accuracy out of them?

My vote goes with MMs take on the air war.

Your argument in response cuts both ways. The Japanese never had the capability to have a huge operational air force with quality pilots in the late war period either so descrying an a-historic ability on the Allied side that counters that is a bit disingenuous. No offense intended.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

The few times I have tried bombing airfields with B29s have resulted in abysmal performances.

Heck, I can't even get them to hit individual strategic targets like distinct factories with any degree of accuracy.

They only seem to be good at area bombing hitting manpower.

What are these other players doing to get such accuracy out of them?

My vote goes with MMs take on the air war.

Your argument in response cuts both ways. The Japanese never had the capability to have a huge operational air force with quality pilots in the late war period either so descrying an a-historic ability on the Allied side that counters that is a bit disingenuous. No offense intended.

I completely agree that the Japanese did not have the ability to have a potent Air Force late, but that is a product of many factors, some of which are either not present in game or changeable by player choices. I'm happy to play my next as Japan without R & D (if I do play another) and I do know this feature changes the air war.

I have two Allied games going though, and have a lot of fun trying to beat the unhistorical Japanese. It's a challenge and there are numerous counters.

This argument though is not about Japanese capabilities vs Allied counters, because night bombing airfields and ports works too successfully for both sides. I shouldn't be able to take out the entire Chinese Air Force in one raid in 42 either. Or sink all of the ships in Singapore port with a few Bettys and Nells on night strikes.

It's not about one side's strength to counter another's, it's about this being something that wasn't possible in the era this game takes place. It's like adding guided bombs to the arsenal. And, as shown above ruthlessly by Mr Roper, the limits I advocate still allow the tactic to work extremely well when no NF and limited flak are present.

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[font="Times New Roman"]August 1, 1945[/font]

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The first day of Soviet activation is fairly quiet, but there is some action.

The B-29s hit Manchurian airfields at night this turn, and one of my best NF groups chose to take the night off. Not sure what happened, but after the urn I checked and they were set for 8k, which would have been perfect to catch these strikes at 9k. Oh, well. The smaller A6M5-S NF did engage and a few B-29s are likely lost. Around 20 airframes hit on the ground.

I sent Ki-83 sweeps at Vlad and they did very well against the two airframes present, the Yak-9 and 9D. They got about 7:1 on the day!! [8D]

I'll keep some going and begin deeper recon as well. I see troops moving acrosss in various places. I decided to go for deep defense rather than any forward rail cutting endeavors. Early stages here might be quiet as the Soviets kill off border forts and advance through empty land.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 1, 1945
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Night Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Changchun , at 106,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5d-S Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5d-S Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Changchun , at 106,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-79a Nate: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 34
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
Yak-9 x 38
Yak-9D x 106

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Yak-9: 2 destroyed
Yak-9D: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 35
Ki-83 x 44

Allied aircraft
Yak-9 x 23
Yak-9D x 88

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Yak-9: 2 destroyed
Yak-9D: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
38 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 46,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 11

Allied aircraft
Yak-9 x 19
Yak-9D x 65

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Yak-9: 1 destroyed
Yak-9D: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 198 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 56 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 3

Allied aircraft
Yak-9 x 16
Yak-9D x 51

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Yak-9D: 6 destroyed
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[Wuffer]

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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 1, 1945[/font]

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you are so much better