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- Cap Mandrake
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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
I don't think they will be happy that Fuchida forgot to bring torps at Pearl.
The surface ships at Manila will be slaughtered. Best, I think, is to try the Murmansk Convoy thing and send the seaworthy non-combatants as singlets..some throught the China Sea, some past Borneo, some East of Sulawese and even some due east toward Midway. They can't kill them all. [:)]
You can form TF's with the cripples and dock them at Manila to absorb some of the anti-shipping attacks. The AI will preferentially attack bigger TF's. At least there, the shore based AAA will do some damage.
Have fun.
The surface ships at Manila will be slaughtered. Best, I think, is to try the Murmansk Convoy thing and send the seaworthy non-combatants as singlets..some throught the China Sea, some past Borneo, some East of Sulawese and even some due east toward Midway. They can't kill them all. [:)]
You can form TF's with the cripples and dock them at Manila to absorb some of the anti-shipping attacks. The AI will preferentially attack bigger TF's. At least there, the shore based AAA will do some damage.
Have fun.

- Wolfpack_MatrixForum
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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
Turn sent to John and QBall. The austrailian APs are on the way to Brisbane and are yours to send to the USA.
AD Black Hawk is on its way to Perth.
I have a few dutch subs that start damaged moving to Melbourne for repair. Most other ships are headed towards India except for a few APs that will be used to move some troops around once you release some PPs my way. The Dutch AS will go to Perth as well.
Quiet on my front so far.
To my inexperienced eye(with this Mod) it appears that China and Burma will go slower than stock.
What did you mean by "I usually send the extra Dutch repair ships to Australia. " Which ships are you referring to?
It will be interesting to see over the next few turns if we can discern who is running what on the Japanese side. QBall is an unknown to me.
AD Black Hawk is on its way to Perth.
I have a few dutch subs that start damaged moving to Melbourne for repair. Most other ships are headed towards India except for a few APs that will be used to move some troops around once you release some PPs my way. The Dutch AS will go to Perth as well.
Quiet on my front so far.

What did you mean by "I usually send the extra Dutch repair ships to Australia. " Which ships are you referring to?
It will be interesting to see over the next few turns if we can discern who is running what on the Japanese side. QBall is an unknown to me.
- ny59giants
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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
What did you mean by "I usually send the extra Dutch repair ships to Australia. " Which ships are you referring to?
I just checked what is available at start and then along the reinforcement track. Oops!! I have played multiple PBEMs (most less than 6 months and only one got to 43). The last few have been Empires Ablaze, RHS 7, Big B's, CHS, and Iron Storm going from current to my first one. Thus, get confused on what available from one to the others at times.
I have 4 AKs from the Luchenbach line already being converted to ARs and will slowly place more in the pipeline.
It will be interesting to see over the next few turns if we can discern who is running what on the Japanese side. QBall is an unknown to me.
When I helped John install Tracker, he mentioned that he was over eastern Pacific, Malaya, and Burma/India. With the way the carriers were divided up, this makes some sense.
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- ny59giants
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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
The surface ships at Manila will be slaughtered. Best, I think, is to try the Murmansk Convoy thing and send the seaworthy non-combatants as singlets..some throught the China Sea, some past Borneo, some East of Sulawese and even some due east toward Midway. They can't kill them all. [:)]
I did not form up any TF from the transports stationed throughout the island bases in the Philippines. As his carriers move south to chase after the "thundering herd," I will send some due east at full speed. I did it in one of my short lived PBEMs and they got through almost entirely intact.
For the first month I tend to form a lot of single TF as its survival of the fittest.
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- ny59giants
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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
Paul,
A suggestion and a warning as the first month goes forth.
WARNING!! I have used too many Hurricanes to upgrade my Australian Buffalo squadrons (cannot do the British until 5/42) and left the number in the pool below 16 when reinforcements show up. What happens is the Hurricanes come in as Buffalos vs Hurricanes. You get 5 squadrons of Hurricanes (16 planes each) in 36 days. You get 32 Hurricane IIb per month replacements. Don't let your Hurricane pool drop below 16 planes or you will swear up a blue streak like I did in a recent game.
Suggestion: I am a big fan boy of the Beaufort V-IX. [&o][&o] In this mod we get a significant replacement and reinforcement rate (10 & 45 per month). I would think about upgrading the 8 plane squadron of Hudsons (there are 6) to Beauforts first and then continue to fill out the 16 planes Hudson squadrons.
A suggestion and a warning as the first month goes forth.
WARNING!! I have used too many Hurricanes to upgrade my Australian Buffalo squadrons (cannot do the British until 5/42) and left the number in the pool below 16 when reinforcements show up. What happens is the Hurricanes come in as Buffalos vs Hurricanes. You get 5 squadrons of Hurricanes (16 planes each) in 36 days. You get 32 Hurricane IIb per month replacements. Don't let your Hurricane pool drop below 16 planes or you will swear up a blue streak like I did in a recent game.

Suggestion: I am a big fan boy of the Beaufort V-IX. [&o][&o] In this mod we get a significant replacement and reinforcement rate (10 & 45 per month). I would think about upgrading the 8 plane squadron of Hudsons (there are 6) to Beauforts first and then continue to fill out the 16 planes Hudson squadrons.
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- Wolfpack_MatrixForum
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RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
Michael,
Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to keep an eye on the plane reinforcements and not drop the pool below the needed amount. I also agree with your thoughts on the Beauforts. I like to get rid of the Hudsons as fast as I can.
Paul
Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to keep an eye on the plane reinforcements and not drop the pool below the needed amount. I also agree with your thoughts on the Beauforts. I like to get rid of the Hudsons as fast as I can.
Paul
RE: AIR Raids!!! Pearl & Manila
ORIGINAL: Wolfpack
Michael,
Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to keep an eye on the plane reinforcements and not drop the pool below the needed amount. I also agree with your thoughts on the Beauforts. I like to get rid of the Hudsons as fast as I can.
Paul
Just for clarity, in Big B you will have to take them to Beufort I's first then V. Still you get oodles of these airframes. They all upgrade to Beaufighters later but I turn off that upgrade. I like the torps better. Also check all you RAF units carefully in India. Several of the Bomber squadrons upgrade to Hurricanes which is nice to augment your fighter forces
"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry
- ny59giants
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Rain and more Rain!!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/08/41
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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66 South Sea Det
Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
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TF 167 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 45,49 48 Division
Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
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ASW attack at 23,65
Japanese Ships
SS I-155, hits 2 near misses only
Allied Ships
MSW Pieter de Bitter
MSW Abraham Crijnssen
MSW Eland Dubois
MSW Jan van Amstel
AK Duymaer van Twist
DD Van Ghent
AK Senang
AK Boero
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Sub attack near Bataan at 42,51
Japanese Ships
SS RO-34
Allied Ships
MSW Finch, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
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Naval bombardment of Guam, at 63,66
Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
Allied ground losses:
312 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 12
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
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Sub attack near Aparri at 45,49
Japanese Ships
AK Kosei Maru
MSW Choun Maru #7
Allied Ships May need a new captain if she continues to miss such easy targets.
SS S-36
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Day Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 24,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 95
Ki-15 Babs x 6
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 102 Good results, but the continuation of attacks at this altitude is good news for the Allies.
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
16 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 24
Ki-48 Lily x 40
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Ki-15 Babs x 7
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 3 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
12 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G3M Nell x 80
G4M1 Betty x 74
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Allied Ships
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Capillo, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sagoland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AS Pigeon, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
AK Anakan, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Bisayas, Bomb hits 1
Allied ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 4
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
17 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
13 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
12 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
Some of the lightly damaged ships were put in single ship TF and now will try to get their float damage down before I decide what is done with them. I should have placed them all this way last turn, but another lesson learned.
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 43,42
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-21 Sally x 13
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Ki-36 Ida x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged
Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 45,49
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Yamagumo
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 45,49
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Unkai Maru #6
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 40,55
Japanese aircraft These Kates are from CVL Ryujo. Now most CVs have been located.
B5N Kate x 8
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
DD Pope, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 40,55
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 18
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
DD Pope, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 40,55
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
DD Pillsbury, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 45,49
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 1
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Fumizuki
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 45,49
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 5
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Buyo Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 11000 feet
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ASW attack near Aparri at 45,49
Japanese Ships
DD Harukaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki
Allied Ships
SS S-36
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Sub attack at 34,63
Japanese Ships
SS I-165
Allied Ships
AK Sipirok, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Sub attack at 23,65
Japanese Ships
SS I-155, hits 3
Allied Ships
CL Java, Torpedo hits 1
DD Evertsen
DD Van Nes
4 Flush Deck DDs have been sent to hunt this sub down.
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ASW attack near Aparri at 45,49
Allied Ships
SS S-36
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Ground combat at Aparri
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 9900 troops, 11 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 187
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 195 - adjusted assault: 392
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 392 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri base !!!
48th Division is the only Japanese forces to land on Luzon in the first two days. Why so few??
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Ground combat at Guam
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 7127 troops, 84 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 148
Defending force 440 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Japanese max assault: 230 - adjusted assault: 222
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 222 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Guam base !!!
Allied ground losses:
996 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Captured by South Sea Detachment
Comments: Rain has surround much of the Central Pacific. It covers all of Hawaii, the Line Islands, Canton Island, and Johnson Island. My 2 CVs are going to head over to Palmrya and in the next few days probably head NE to rendezvous with Sara to form my 3 headed monster. I have made preliminary plans for where LCUs on the West Coast and Panama will be deployed (subject to change).
There has been less than normal invasions over the first two days. Why?? I think something is going to happen and warned Paul that they may try to land at Mershing and cut off retreats into Singapore. There was no invasion of Wake Island. There has been thunderstorms and overcast around parts of the SRA and this helped my "thundering herd" escaping from Manila from getting hit in both phases.
Screen Shot: The mini-KB is to the left while CV Soryu and Hiryu are to the right.

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- ny59giants
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/09/41
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TF 1115 encounters mine field at Batavia (20,60)
Allied Ships
DD Vendetta, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Sub attack at 39,56
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
PG Asheville, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42
Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 7
Ki-27 Nate x 13
Ki-51 Sonia x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 30
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-15 Babs x 3
Ki-36 Ida x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 3 damaged
Allied Ships I think someone forgot to try to get these ships to safety....Paul?
DD Thracian, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Scout, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Thanet, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tavoy , at 28,37
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 18
Ki-32 Mary x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-32 Mary: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 24,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 88
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Ki-15 Babs x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 82
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
C5M Babs x 4
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 25
Ki-48 Lily x 44
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
I think I am facing Q-Ball and not John here as the actions has been slow besides the port attacks. My P-40s have done well and their experience levels are growing nicely.
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
G3M Nell x 21
G4M1 Betty x 72
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Allied Ships
MSW Quail, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
468 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 4
Port hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
21 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
12 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bataan , at 42,51
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
G3M Nell x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 12 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 80th Regional Army Corps, at 47,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 41
Ki-30 Ann x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 1
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 51st Regional Army Corps, at 47,38
Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
MSW Lark, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,56
Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 18
B5N Kate x 21
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
B5N Kate x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AO Pecos, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 19
B5N Kate x 20
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 17
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
AS Otus, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Paz, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Johnston Island , at 104,78 KB comes out from under the rain
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
D3A Val x 48
B5N Kate x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied Ships
MSW Robin, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,61
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
D3A Val x 18
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Luzon, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack near Singora at 24,43
Japanese Ships
DD Shirakumo
DD Amagiri
DD Yugiri
DD Asagiri
DD Ayanami
DD Shikinami
DD Uranami
DD Murakumo
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shirayuki
DD Isonami
Allied Ships
SS KXVII
Comments: What....no ground combat?? This is my first 2x2 PBEM and I must say the game dynamics are different to say the least.
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TF 1115 encounters mine field at Batavia (20,60)
Allied Ships
DD Vendetta, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Sub attack at 39,56
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
PG Asheville, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42
Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 7
Ki-27 Nate x 13
Ki-51 Sonia x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 30
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-15 Babs x 3
Ki-36 Ida x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 3 damaged
Allied Ships I think someone forgot to try to get these ships to safety....Paul?
DD Thracian, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Scout, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Thanet, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tavoy , at 28,37
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 18
Ki-32 Mary x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-32 Mary: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 24,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 88
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Ki-15 Babs x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 82
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
C5M Babs x 4
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 25
Ki-48 Lily x 44
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
I think I am facing Q-Ball and not John here as the actions has been slow besides the port attacks. My P-40s have done well and their experience levels are growing nicely.
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
G3M Nell x 21
G4M1 Betty x 72
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Allied Ships
MSW Quail, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
468 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 4
Port hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
21 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
12 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bataan , at 42,51
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
G3M Nell x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 12 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 80th Regional Army Corps, at 47,36
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 41
Ki-30 Ann x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 1
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 51st Regional Army Corps, at 47,38
Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
MSW Lark, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,56
Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 18
B5N Kate x 21
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
B5N Kate x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AO Pecos, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 19
B5N Kate x 20
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 17
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
AS Otus, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Paz, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage SUNK!!
Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Johnston Island , at 104,78 KB comes out from under the rain
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
D3A Val x 48
B5N Kate x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied Ships
MSW Robin, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,61
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
D3A Val x 18
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Luzon, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack near Singora at 24,43
Japanese Ships
DD Shirakumo
DD Amagiri
DD Yugiri
DD Asagiri
DD Ayanami
DD Shikinami
DD Uranami
DD Murakumo
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shirayuki
DD Isonami
Allied Ships
SS KXVII
Comments: What....no ground combat?? This is my first 2x2 PBEM and I must say the game dynamics are different to say the least.
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
The early part of this game is making me wonder what they are up to as well. Where will they strike in Malaysia!
Also sorry about the DDs in Hong Kong. I completely overlooked that base.
Also sorry about the DDs in Hong Kong. I completely overlooked that base.
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
ORIGINAL: Wolfpack
The early part of this game is making me wonder what they are up to as well. Where will they strike in Malaysia!
Also sorry about the DDs in Hong Kong. I completely overlooked that base.
PREPARE THE WOODSHED!
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
My OCD-ness usually gets the best of me on turn 1. [:D] That's why it takes me over 4 hours. I go through each base, decide what units of the West Coast will go where and change their prep, and usually form over 300 TF before I'm done.
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
We may have a problem. TF 1100 is lost in the gray are around Aden. See the screenshot. Is this fixable?


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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
In my game with John III, his carriers posted outside the Aden Channel hit Allied ships inside the channel. So don't assume that ships in the channel are out of range (in the event the KB shows up there or near the Canal Zone Channels later in the game).
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Rain and more Rain!!
One of you guys must not have installed the map correctly..
- Wolfpack_MatrixForum
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
How do we determine who it is amongst the four of us? When I have the turn all ships I assign to aden show a path through the appropriate channel. Since the Japanese do the "actual" move I suspect its one of them. Or am I wrong?
RE: Rain and more Rain!!
Just for the record -
I know some folks don't care for after action summaries in AAR's, but for people like me who like seeing how the combats go - I thank you.
I like to see the results of combats so I can judge what kind of results the mod produces(as seen below).
To see 38 fighters and 93 bombers mix it up, with the loss of only four fighters and a few bombers lost total tells me I'm on the right track (since the entire goal of the mod was to get results realistic).
Thanks
B
I know some folks don't care for after action summaries in AAR's, but for people like me who like seeing how the combats go - I thank you.
I like to see the results of combats so I can judge what kind of results the mod produces(as seen below).
To see 38 fighters and 93 bombers mix it up, with the loss of only four fighters and a few bombers lost total tells me I'm on the right track (since the entire goal of the mod was to get results realistic).
Thanks
B
ORIGINAL: ny59giants
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/09/41
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
I think I am facing Q-Ball and not John here as the actions has been slow besides the port attacks. My P-40s have done well and their experience levels are growing nicely.
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
G3M Nell x 21
G4M1 Betty x 72
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Allied Ships
MSW Quail, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
468 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 4
Port hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
21 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
12 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
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- ny59giants
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RE: Rain and more Rain!!
I would say John and I are not at fault as we both have played this mod before without problems. I would post in the Tech Support section.
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Need new partner!!!!!
ny59Giants has decided to leave this game! So I need someone else to team up with me. We are restarting due to a map issue that we should be certain that is resolved in the next day or so.
Anybody interested in teaming up with me in a 2x2 game against John III and Q-Ball?
Thanks,
Wolfpack
Anybody interested in teaming up with me in a 2x2 game against John III and Q-Ball?
Thanks,
Wolfpack
RE: Rain and more Rain!!
ORIGINAL: Wolfpack
We may have a problem. TF 1100 is lost in the gray are around Aden. See the screenshot. Is this fixable?
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I would say probably not. I have had an AP in the hex north of Brisbane since early 1942. I am using the same map and Big B 1.4 It won't move because it somehow seems to know it is now in an all land hex. I say that because it lacked the sense to move there in the first place but has suddenly had an "apostrophe" (re: the movie "Hook") and realizes ships can't sail on land unless they happen to be dromedary. There is an error in the pwhex file somewhere. Talk to Andrew but I think you are screwed.
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