Will you be playing this on Steam?

[Darkspire]

My 50ps worth.

I do not like Steam, never have, never will, many games on there that I would like to have, like Anno 2070, X-Albion etc but it is the backdoor methods that my diplomatically challenged friend Spidey mentioned, I may be blonde and large but am more than capable of doing anything regards installing a game and installing mods, get stuck, ask uncle Google. Yes you can disable auto updates of any game in the settings on Steam but it is far to big a risk in this interconnected world to have a backdoor open that anyone can walk through if they so wish.

Steam Workshop, great for the lazy and those that can not be bothered to learn how to do things. DW really does not need the Steam Workshop, you can only have one theme running at once, download the zip into the customization folder, extract, job done, you can not have multiple themes running so having Steam Workshop for DW is overkill. The only thing I would agree on and would really like is that Matrix stepped up to the plate and offered a server to put all the uploads on, there are some great pieces of work done by folks on here and as time wears on the links go down, it would be great if we had somewhere to upload to that was official and the files could always be accessed.

Darkspire

[ehsumrell1]

ORIGINAL: Darkspire

My 50ps worth.

I do not like Steam, never have, never will,....

Yes you can disable auto updates of any game in the settings on Steam but it is far to big a risk in this interconnected world to have a backdoor open that anyone can walk through if they so wish....

Steam Workshop, great for the lazy and those that can not be bothered to learn how to do things. DW really does not need the Steam Workshop, you can only have one theme running at once, download the zip into the customization folder, extract, job done, you can not have multiple themes running so having Steam Workshop for DW is overkill. The only thing I would agree on and would really like is that Matrix stepped up to the plate and offered a server to put all the uploads on, there are some great pieces of work done by folks on here and as time wears on the links go down, it would be great if we had somewhere to upload to that was official and the files could always be accessed.

Darkspire

Ditto.....

100% agree....

Well stated fellow team member!

[Darkspire]

Thank you ehsumrell1 [8D]

That is why I created Darkspires's File Repository

I have two backups of all the files and the Mediafire account they are on is quick and easy to access, it is a shame that so much has been lost over the last few years [:(]

I made a community section on there so if folks wanted me to host them from my end there is not a problem and the work done is safe and secure and no one has to worry about the links going down.

Darkspire

[Animorganimate]

I just wanted to say, despite the polarizing opinions and emotions in this thread, I think we can all agree how awesome it is that Distant Worlds is getting the attention it deserves, and some of that is thanks to Steam. So despite your stance on the situation, at least the DW movement is spreading.

[Flinkebeinchen]

If they will ever get Steamworks to work its way better to get the mods you want then digging into wall of texts in the mod forum here. In Steamworks you can tag your mod like "more races" "sound overhaul" "total conversion" etc. This is total easy and even users who lack the ability to install a mod (yes they do exist!) can play mods this way.

I still don't get it.. why all the hate about Steam? It has pros and cons.

I like it and use it every day to stay in touch with friends, keep my screenshots and saves in the cloud (I lost every old screenshot and saves due a mainboard error that killed my HDD 3 years ago so I really like that feature) and the achievements aren't that bad either.. not that I really need them but its a way to measure my progress on a game.

[Spidey]

"Diplomatically challenged", eh? Thanks! And I was trying real hard to be nice too, not calling anyone any names or anything. Fat lot of good that did, wasn't it? [:)]

Anyway, Flinke is probably right about Steam Workshop being easier to use, but then it also ties DW mods to Steam and Valve. And for those of us who don't really like either of those entities, being forced to use them isn't exactly nice. I'm happy to put money into DW but I can just about promise in advance that there's no game awesome enough to make me buy it through steam. I'm an angry ideologist, absolutely, and it's obviously not for everyone, but it generally works for me.

Why the hate, you ask? Well, I kind of don't want to repeat myself, since that might lead to more heated replies in defense, at which point we have a clusterfuck of a topic, but let's cut it down to me feeling that Valve doesn't respect me as a customer, and that Steam sort of stands for values I really don't like. I can't do a damn thing to change anything about it but I can at make a symbolic gesture of protest and not buy from people I don't like who runs a shop with values I also don't like.

Edit: If the Workshop was open to non-Steamers with an option to download the zipped package then it wouldn't be a problem, as Workshop would then just be an organized file host for those who don't want to be Steam-customers and a mod manager for those who do, but that's not how it works, is it?

[Osito]

My own perspective on Steam is that I 'tolerate' it, but I don't love it. I totally understand the views of those who don't like it, and when I was younger I would have probably taken the same view. I've played the 'age' card a couple of times recently, but it does mellow you to certain things, and maybe that's good or maybe it's bad, but I don't really care about whether Steam 'owns' all my stuff because I realise I won't be around to own it myself for all that much longer.

Phew ... anyway, regarding the 'SW' (Steam Workshop), I did post above that I would play the game on Steam if it had SW 'functionality'. But after thinking about it a bit more, I'm having serious doubts about whether SW is remotely appropriate for this game. The problem is that many of the mods are going to conflict with each other. For example, take Haree78's excellent 'extended' mod. If anyone mods their resources, components or techs, it's likely to conflict with Haree's work. Many mods will conflict with other mods, owing to the way that the modding process works.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the modding is here, but I don't think it is a great system for integrating mods which are doing slightly different things.

I'm slowly coming to the view that the best long term option is the development of DW2, but in the meantime I'll take all the DW1 love I can get.

Osito

[Darkspire]

"Diplomatically challenged", eh? Thanks! And I was trying real hard to be nice too, not calling anyone any names or anything. Fat lot of good that did, wasn't it?

The moment anyone mentions the S***M word round here WWIII breaks out, I am so used to seeing constructive discussions and posts from your good self that to see you blowing a valve (see what I did there?) was most amusing and had to be responded to [:D]

I hope our new members from the dark side, sorry S***M, will bear with us, no offense is meant and in all honesty with DWU being on there now, hopefully, things will calm down a bit, and it will no longer be a bone of contention here on our corner of the galaxy.

Darkspire

[Osito]

ORIGINAL: Darkspire

"Diplomatically challenged", eh? Thanks! And I was trying real hard to be nice too, not calling anyone any names or anything. Fat lot of good that did, wasn't it?

The moment anyone mentions the S***M word round here WWIII breaks out, I am so used to seeing constructive discussions and posts from your good self that to see you blowing a valve (see what I did there?) was most amusing and had to be responded to [:D]

I hope our new members from the dark side, sorry S***M, will bear with us, no offense is meant and in all honesty with DWU being on there now, hopefully, things will calm down a bit, and it will no longer be a bone of contention here on our corner of the galaxy.

Darkspire

You have to keep in mind that a lot of people are frightened of Spideys.

[Darkspire]

You have to keep in mind that a lot of people are frightened of Spideys.

Darkspire

[Drexy]

Yes i love steam, i rub it on my face every morning, i love being backdoored, DWU 7th on the steam chart, a great game finally getting some recognition, dev finally getting paid for years of work, silly hipster steam haters no longer can feel special by being part of an elite few whose played DW

[Darkspire]

ORIGINAL: Drexy

Yes i love steam, i rub it on my face every morning, i love being backdoored, DWU 7th on the steam chart, a great game finally getting some recognition, dev finally getting paid for years of work, silly hipster steam haters no longer can feel special by being part of an elite few whose played DW

And you wonder why we dislike Steam ... [8|]

Darkspire

[Scrove]

Absolutely, in fact if I have a choice of having a game on steam or from another source I'll generally go with steam over the other choice for convenience sake. Would love for the mods to come to steam as well, that way it's a one stop shop and I no longer have to check if they are updated, simply get them updated when they are.

With it being on the featured games list on top of the store page and 6th place seller atm it's great to see that the game is getting more recognition. This will hopefully bring in more modders for more mods. It's great for publicity's sake if nothing else.

[pycco]

lol steam severs is purpose. its what was needed and still is to ensure the copyright goods of games. remember the early 2000's why buy a game when a morals-less person can get it from mega share for free.

as for mods on steam those modders are signing over the rights to ideas and images and such to steam when they put it on steam workshop.

[histgamer]

Yes

[Buio]

ORIGINAL: Spidey
Just answering the question. I don't like Steam, at least not in its current form, and I believe that's my prerogative, just like it's yours to love Steam or to not love Justin Bieber or whatever. I went a bit above and beyond by providing this thing called "reasons", but then I figured I might have to, since so depressingly many people get upset if you don't just love Steam's hand-holding and railroading.

You're quite right that I have rather strong emotions on this topic, though. But I really don't like to be treated like a moron and I don't like Valve thinking it's their prerogative to mess around with my games on my system without even having the courtesy to ask for permission. That's just me, though. I've never really been good at submitting to that sort of authority.

Not really, you could just have said "I don't like Steam, I play the standalone Matrix version" but instead ranted.

I overreacted with my reply, but I'm not a fan of hate posts.

So how do you feel about having to run the game on Windows with Microsoft in charge and no alternatives? I mean, they aren't shy of cooperating with NSA, and they supported the SOPA. Just to mention two things. Yes, there are no alternatives, but in my opinion Microsoft is a much larger and controlling "bad guy" compared to Valve/Steam.

[ASHBERY76]

Hey guys are steam achievements working? I am playing a theme and do not seem to get any.

[Buio]

ORIGINAL: ASHBERY76
Hey guys are steam achievements working? I am playing a theme and do not seem to get any.

No, they don't. They did report on the Steam forum they are looking into it.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/261470/di ... 310076717/

[Spidey]

ORIGINAL: Buio
Not really, you could just have said "I don't like Steam, I play the standalone Matrix version" but instead ranted.

I overreacted with my reply, but I'm not a fan of hate posts.

So how do you feel about having to run the game on Windows with Microsoft in charge and no alternatives? I mean, they aren't shy of cooperating with NSA, and they supported the SOPA. Just to mention two things. Yes, there are no alternatives, but in my opinion Microsoft is a much larger and controlling "bad guy" compared to Valve/Steam.

I could've said a lot of things, absolutely. But I still just answered the question. And then you hand-waved my reasons away as irrelevant bile and called me a creep, which strikes me as a generally odd reaction from someone who isn't a fan of hate posts. [:)]

Regarding your question, I would actually agree that MS is a bigger "bad guy" than Valve but what has that got to do with anything? This topic isn't about MS, is it? And MS being bigger dicks than Valve doesn't even begin to imply that Valve aren't also dicks, does it? Should I pretend they're not dicks because they're not the biggest dicks alive? What kind of general principle is that based on? Do you use it in all aspects of life or does it only apply to Valve?

[Gregorovitch55]

Spidey, what you say about Steam DRM being a gross intrusion on your machine etc is true - it is - but there is another side to this that I think you need to consider that balances the equation somewhat.

What's happening now is something like this: thousands of people are noticing DW on the Steam front page and going roughly through the following process:

Hey, this is a new space game, I like space games
No it's not a new space game it's an old space game, wtf don't I know about it then, and why are people buying it?
[reads some reviews]
Hmm. This looks like it might be quite good.
[looks up some more reactions to DW]
Hmm. This looks like one of those "best games you've never heard of" type of thing.
[notices the price]
*cough* *choke* *splutter*
[checks out maybe Quill's vid, maybe one of Das's]
OK, I'm convinced........

This would never have happened without Steam.
This is bad because?