Into the Light HLYA(G) VS Beethoven(S)

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

How about here? Any Questions here?

*****Shout out to EwaldVonKleist the player of this game, here is to you returning to this game. I miss you man & hurry back. I will be using PZ Group 1 a great deal in your Honor. I gave him my Boyz, DAS REICH. Where DAS Reich goes is where I go. Those who follow me knows that by now. It is all about the "REICH"!!!!*****


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Yes, please use PG1 a lot so promotion to Generalfeldmarschall happens quickly for better pay, a more fancy uniform and the nice stick that comes along with this:
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It may have been fixed but I read a post in the last 2 to 3 weeks ago from someone saying that German promotion system is not working correctly, they said that the Axis Allied Generals where getting promotions but not German Generals.
Maybe the latest beta patch has fixed the issue but I am still using the Official patch .29.

Yes, I saw the same thing. It is in the .39 BETA patch notes not yet published. I checked the BETA forum for it.

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Turn 1

Another Deviation back to the Air Phase. Of course you know that I bombed only fighter bases, except for my one error on one base, to destroy new and old fighter air frames. I am sure many have a differing opinion on that but be as it may that is my "RED Herring" and I am going for it "hook line and sinker".

I found it interesting that, ON THE FIRST TURN, my interception rate of my Fighters seemed low especially compared to the amount of incoming bombers. Although my total aircraft shot down at the end of the turn was ok, in my opinion. Maybe I am just unlucky as heck on interception. Maybe there is something there. I don't know but we can always look at the numbers. For now I will rely on GS to do my dirty work. I believe that is probably more historical for those historical people anyway, right?

Lets look at the numbers in this picture. I had 29 battles.

*Of these battles only 3 had no air GS nor interception
*26 of these battles had Soviet bomber fly to provide GS (I did not do GS and what was told to me by friends to do but I did not I sux at listening )
*Of the 26 battles I intercepted 7 times. So you can do the math on that. If I was using those Fighters in GS those fighters would have flown pretty much every time. Anyway, numbers speak and I will manipulate GS for my Fighter interception for now on.


See! There are so many interesting things that happen in the first turns. All turns matter & the first 10 turns matter the most for Germany.

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

We are going to skip the Center North section around Vitebsk at the moment and go to Riga. I always pretty much attack Riga last in my games. Why? Because I start my attacks in the South and work to the North for route points. The other point is by the time I get to Riga the Soviet Airforce should be pretty well spent and won't send a great many bombers to the battle. If the Soviets send a great many bombers the battle can turn on you quickly. I did put fighters close for interception of bombers.... But sadly they did not intercept in the snap shot shown.

Also there was a big debate on the City attack on Riga and not taking it easily before I had left. Of course I disagreed to the point that pretty much the "only" time this will become "hard" is if the RNG gawd gives that unit "unholy" stats. As you can see I easily move 22nkvd with just a Moto Division. Yes, you are seeing correctly. There was only a 1 delay in the hex from the attack and I had more chances to try if the attack failed. It is all about "Fire and Maneuver"

You will see that the port was taken. But this photo is after the attack on Riga per the photo, then once the 22 NKVD had retreated SW, the way I wanted that unit to go, I did another hasty attack to hopefully make it retreat once again. Which it did. THEN I took the port circled in black. Now, why would I do my attacks that way?
(**Just a hint, if NKVD had routed Northeast then I would not have cared since there were no units in this area**)

Anyway, captured that pesky 22 NKVD Division and will become POW's next turn. I know it gets rebuilt

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

North

Here is the end turn North snapshot. I did no Naval interdiction to open the way to Riga. There is no need to do that this turn. Anyone know why?

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Here is the picture. As you can see I have all Soviets in nice little route zone pockets. Easy as 1, 2, 3

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Here is the rest of the North to the German Border. Again there are "NO" new depots built on the first turn in the North. Using all existing depots. I said long time ago to Mr. Billings you don't need to build any. I have not so far, although I do build one this turn in the next slide Why would I do this?

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

North

Ok, I had to go for a bit but finally back. I have the rest of the afternoon free! Yea!

Here you can see my FBD's in action. YES, I "F"d up yet again. At the end of turn I FORGOT to move FBD-4 forward more. I still had 7 MP's left to move forward. FBD's are THE MOST important units for the Germans there are. Even a small mistake as this can cost me hex(es) to be converted. You can see the conversion hexes done on the two rail lines

In the picture you see I built a depot in Vilnius. To the SW of the newly made depot, circled in black, is where I will build another depot next turn since the turn you flip a hex I am unable to build a depot on a non town/city hex. Now why would I build a depot to the SW of Vilnius when I already have a depot in Vilnius next turn?

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

Center (Vitebsk area)

In WITE1 I considered this area "extremely" important & even wrote that in my AAR's back then. I also value the area "extremely" important in WITE2. I love having Velikie Luki in my hands & is "very" difficult to defend if this area is taken early from the Soviets. This is the area I want circled in black T2. The front 4 areas is my goal. I want those 4 areas on T2 at the minimum since this is my defense Area for T3. The 5th area, Velikie Luki, is nice but not required turn 2. BUT having those 4 areas makes defending Velikie Luki very difficult for the Soviets and will have to over commit in this area if they want to hold onto it T3+. This also cuts the rail line from South to North forcing the Soviets to go through Moscow.

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Here is my rush to capture the diverse non-open terrain. I 100% make sure the Soviets can't cut off my spearheads. If you are a German player you have to "FULLY" understand you need to protect your flanks. Soviets sneaking in or around you cutting you off sets you back tremendously. STOP letting them do that!

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

Center (Vitebsk area)

In WITE1 I considered this area "extremely" important & even wrote that in my AAR's back then. I also value the area "extremely" important in WITE2. I love having Velikie Luki in my hands & is "very" difficult to defend if this area is taken early from the Soviets. This is the area I want circled in black T2. The front 4 areas is my goal. I want those 4 areas on T2 at the minimum since this is my defense Area for T3. The 5th area, Velikie Luki, is nice but not required turn 2. BUT having those 4 areas makes defending Velikie Luki very difficult for the Soviets and will have to over commit in this area if they want to hold onto it T3+. This also cuts the rail line from South to North forcing the Soviets to go through Moscow.


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Here is my rush to capture the diverse non-open terrain. I 100% make sure the Soviets can't cut off my spearheads. If you are a German player you have to "FULLY" understand you need to protect your flanks. Soviets sneaking in or around you cutting you off sets you back tremendously. STOP letting them do that!


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Hi HLYA

You have spoken about the Veliki Luki area, what are your views about The Valdai Hills region.

I have in a number of previous posts in my AAr's spoken about my importance on there capture so as to secure Army Group Norths Southern flank.

What is your feeling on this area ?

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Turn 1

Ground Phase

Center (Vitebsk area)

In WITE1 I considered this area "extremely" important & even wrote that in my AAR's back then. I also value the area "extremely" important in WITE2. I love having Velikie Luki in my hands & is "very" difficult to defend if this area is taken early from the Soviets. This is the area I want circled in black T2. The front 4 areas is my goal. I want those 4 areas on T2 at the minimum since this is my defense Area for T3. The 5th area, Velikie Luki, is nice but not required turn 2. BUT having those 4 areas makes defending Velikie Luki very difficult for the Soviets and will have to over commit in this area if they want to hold onto it T3+. This also cuts the rail line from South to North forcing the Soviets to go through Moscow.


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Here is my rush to capture the diverse non-open terrain. I 100% make sure the Soviets can't cut off my spearheads. If you are a German player you have to "FULLY" understand you need to protect your flanks. Soviets sneaking in or around you cutting you off sets you back tremendously. STOP letting them do that!


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Hi HLYA

You have spoken about the Veliki Luki area, what are your views about The Valdai Hills region.

I have in a number of previous posts in my AAr's spoken about my importance on there capture so as to secure Army Group Norths Southern flank.

What is your feeling on this area ?


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Early game, first 10 turns, I have little if no importance on securing the hills. Unless I am going balls to the wall for Leningrad. The hardest part of the hills early game is getting supply to it and how much the Soviets commit to this area.

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Just sent Turn 3 to Beethoven just a few minutes ago but AAR is still on turn 1 here and on Discord. Will be updating, hopefully, tomorrow or later depending on work schedule. Since everyone knew the answer to all the questions I will be cuttings the question out for now on.

Thank you all for looking & goodnight.

The game has been updated to BETA patch .39.

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Since everyone knew the answer to all the questions I will be cuttings the question out for now on.

Come on, give those like me who only get around to check and read from time to time a chance!

I definitely would like to know more about the depot SW of a depot, the fire and move approach, and the pushing around of 22 NKWD. Also interested in the smallish routing zones.

Apart from that, questions make me start thinking about thigs, which is also a good thing to do. But often, I have the feeling that I just haven't done enough of my "homework" learning the mechanics and exhausting the material available to do so on my own. One example is the retreat/routing mechanics. I know that you are able to make attacked units move as you wish them to move in most cases. Asking is the easy way, but it is time consuming for the person that is being asked. So I often feel I should do my homework first, and ask if I still don't get it after that. But still the raising of the question is valuable, because it shows what I should look into.

Thanks

Hartwig

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I have put a 5 - 7 turn delay on updates on this game. First time I have done so that I know of. I do make comments on the game real time in discord with occasional snapshots. But for testing in this game for Beethoven OPSEC plays a major part to not give to much information away that would not be found in a normal match. Sorry to those, if any, that follow my AAR's.

But again, you can read Beethovens AAR on his Discord or follow here on this forum the delayed version.

Currently on German turn 5

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Update

Beethoven has turn 6 now and within the week I should have turn 7 back. I will start updating soon.

As many know there was Airbase bombing that was done on turn 5 that destroyed 440ish German aircraft on the ground. I did not care if we continued down the path with the destruction of those aircraft or not continue down that path reverting to no bombing of the airfields by the Soviets.(I said so in the Discord channel) I am playing to the end no matter what happens to my German units. But Beethoven, showing the highest standards a player can have, felt this scenario just is not correct on what happened. In the greatest sportsman gesture I have had with an opponent he decided not to follow through with those bombings and reverted the turn. For the greater good of the game Beethoven wanted to get to the bottom of what is happening. Currently there is still only conjecture on the threads and I wish Beethoven luck in his actions but I personally feel that Beethoven will hit brick wall after brick wall without any answers with his clear proof answers. I applaud Beethoven for his love of this game and the games betterment. This is the highest standard one could have in my eyes. Please take a moment and send Beethoven a kind regard for his dedication, love of game, helpfulness, and betterment of the game. I really do appreciate Beethoven contributions.