Observations on Ship Repairs

[Knavey]

Has anyone had damage repair itself when the ship was NOT disbanded?

[VSWG]

ORIGINAL: Knavey

Has anyone had damage repair itself when the ship was NOT disbanded?

Sure. Sometimes ship even repair damage at sea.

[engineer]

Yes. 
 
Sys damage may repair at sea, but there is a limit where damage at 5 or less may not be repaired at sea.  This is on-board damage control and the Allies (or at least the USN) have an edge on the Japanese at this. 
 
Fire damage is routinely repaired at sea. 
 
Flotation damage is harder to repair at sea and badly damaged ships (flotation damage at 90 or more) often founder before getting to port (or are sitting ducks if you don't have control of the air). 
 

[siRkid]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Actually both Kid and PzB have made some pretty shrewd guesses!
[:)]

Hmmmm.........

[Knavey]

ORIGINAL: engineer

Yes. 

Sys damage may repair at sea, but there is a limit where damage at 5 or less may not be repaired at sea.  This is on-board damage control and the Allies (or at least the USN) have an edge on the Japanese at this. 

Fire damage is routinely repaired at sea. 

Flotation damage is harder to repair at sea and badly damaged ships (flotation damage at 90 or more) often founder before getting to port (or are sitting ducks if you don't have control of the air). 

Subs seem to be an exception to the floatation rule...I have had subs survive ASW attacks with 2-3 sys damage and 40-50 float...only to have them repair the float in a matter of days AT SEA and on the way back to port and so I turn them around and send them back to patrol.

[Coach Z]

I sent a carrier to a Large port (size 8) with over 400 accumulated repair points; it's the only ship there, with nearly 30k supply! The first day it drops 1 System damage point....I was so happy.....it’s been 11 days and nothing, NOTHING has changed![:@]
I thought she'd be out of action for maybe three months (including an upgrade); now its looking like four months at this rate!
{No Floyd I'm not telling you anything more} 
 

[Knavey]

Just put that damaged CV in the port and forget about it for a while...a watched pot boils faster than a watched CV repairs.  [:D]

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: PzB

It would be nice if someone patched up WitP as well [;)]

ORIGINAL: Kid

You know what I would like to see is? I would like to let the player spend the repair points as he see fit.

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Actually both Kid and PzB have made some pretty shrewd guesses!
[:)]

Is that a HINT? [;)]

[&o][&o][&o]


Leo "Apollo11"

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: VSWG

ORIGINAL: Knavey

Has anyone had damage repair itself when the ship was NOT disbanded?

Sure. Sometimes ship even repair damage at sea.

If left at sea and damage is >50, ships will self-repair... in fact, with larger ships, it is often repaired faster than if it sat at a major port with repair facility!! [X(] [8|] [:D]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Coach Z

I sent a carrier to a Large port (size 8) with over 400 accumulated repair points; it's the only ship there, with nearly 30k supply! The first day it drops 1 System damage point....I was so happy.....it’s been 11 days and nothing, NOTHING has changed![:@]
I thought she'd be out of action for maybe three months (including an upgrade); now its looking like four months at this rate!
{No Floyd I'm not telling you anything more}

Sometimes the repair routine gets a stuck - it often helps to form the non-repairing ship into a TF and immediately disband it... this seems to "jog" the system into working... i once (years ago) had a BB go for 3 months with minimal repairs - tried this and it repaired about 4 points in the next weeks.

BTW - i calculated that it would have taken until 1956 for the ship to repair (from PH) at its original repair rate. [X(] [:D]

[engineer]

Sometimes the repair routine gets a stuck - it often helps to form the non-repairing ship into a TF and immediately disband it... this seems to "jog" the system into working... i once (years ago) had a BB go for 3 months with minimal repairs - tried this and it repaired about 4 points in the next weeks.

 
I've seen the same thing. One other thing that I tried in conjunction with the TF trick was to switch out the captain with another officer with a high admin rating.  I can't say that the officer change had any effect or not, but it seems that "touching" the damaged ship in harbor gets her out of rut and back on track to repair. 

[floydg]

ORIGINAL: Coach Z
{No Floyd I'm not telling you anything more} 

Bah. I have three CV repairing. Or rather, barely repairing. So you have no sympathy from me.

[Gormadoc]

Have anyone any idea how long it takes for Japan to repair a damaged torpedo tube on a sub. Assuming its in a port 8 or above with a repair shipyard and a Naval HQ. ?
 
I have had some subs sitting for months now. So any info on people's experience with reparing these systems would be very appreciated.
 
Starting to get to me, not knowing when they could be operational again, suffering from sleep deprivation from laying awake all night wondering if i am doing something wrong[:(]
 
 

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Gormadoc

Have anyone any idea how long it takes for Japan to repair a damaged torpedo tube on a sub. Assuming its in a port 8 or above with a repair shipyard and a Naval HQ. ?

I have had some subs sitting for months now. So any info on people's experience with reparing these systems would be very appreciated.

Starting to get to me, not knowing when they could be operational again, suffering from sleep deprivation from laying awake all night wondering if i am doing something wrong[:(]

there´s a bug that shows the tube as damaged even though it has already repaired. The tubes should work fine. At least this is what people are saying.

Well, as I´m owner of a special copy of WITP it has never worked for me though. Not that the tubes are damaged and never work again, but I then see more than strange numbers of torps being launched and I also see very strange numbers of torps with the sub. Often it´s like this: If the sub has 4 forward and 4 rear tubes and one of the forward tubes is damaged, then it NEVER gets repaired in my games, but the sub launches 7!!!! torps in attacks then. So the 3 forward and 4 rear tubes together it seems. [8|] But like I said, this is what happens in my games and other people will tell you something different.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Gormadoc

Have anyone any idea how long it takes for Japan to repair a damaged torpedo tube on a sub. Assuming its in a port 8 or above with a repair shipyard and a Naval HQ. ?

I have had some subs sitting for months now. So any info on people's experience with reparing these systems would be very appreciated.

Starting to get to me, not knowing when they could be operational again, suffering from sleep deprivation from laying awake all night wondering if i am doing something wrong[:(]

there´s a bug that shows the tube as damaged even though it has already repaired. The tubes should work fine. At least this is what people are saying.

Well, as I´m owner of a special copy of WITP it has never worked for me though. Not that the tubes are damaged and never work again, but I then see more than strange numbers of torps being launched and I also see very strange numbers of torps with the sub. Often it´s like this: If the sub has 4 forward and 4 rear tubes and one of the forward tubes is damaged, then it NEVER gets repaired in my games, but the sub launches 7!!!! torps in attacks then. So the 3 forward and 4 rear tubes together it seems. [8|] But like I said, this is what happens in my games and other people will tell you something different.

Supposedly, if the tubes are REALLY fixed, the number of torpedoes being carried after the sub replenishes at the appropriately-sized port will be correct.

If there is an "odd" number of torpedoes - it implies the tubes are NOT fixed.

[John Lansford]

Warning:  The shipyards WILL repair ships that are still in TF and are docked at a port!  I had a large number of subchasers sitting in San Francisco harbor when they got the "upgrade" damage.  Knowing that I had to get them out of the port so the shipyard would spend more productive time working on Saratoga, I put the SC's in a TF and docked them in the port.

A large # of the SC's repaired down below 5 SYS damage within a month, while Saratoga sat there, unrepaired.  Further tests on damaged submarines in a docked TF at Pearl Harbor confirmed this; if you have a docked TF at a harbor with a shipyard, the AI considers them candidates for shipyard repair just like the disbanded ships are and will repair them down below SYS 5 damage.

This means if you've got some major ships needing repair, you have to make sure no TF's show up and get docked there.  Fortunately you can load/unload a TF without docking it (makes no sense but that's how it works), but if you refuel them they will dock, so you've got to undock them immediately or risk losing a turn of repair.

As for AR's, I do not think they increase the effect of a large shipyard at all, which makes sense; they are floating machine shops capable of doing a lot of types of work, but a shipyard has a much greater capability to perform this same kind of work.  I put my AR's in large ports that don't have a shipyard and they tend to function as a poor man's shipyard, repairing SYS damage on small ships and eliminating flood damage.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Warning:  The shipyards WILL repair ships that are still in TF and are docked at a port!

True. This is the only way to keep the Japanese TF2 Replenishment Tankers from becoming too damaged. I park it in Tokyo Bay every now and then, and it repairs very quickly. This is the same reason that you can base "permanent" ASW TFs at large ports and they quickly repair all operational damage without ever having to disband the TF (same principal applies to permanent Minelayer TFs)

As for AR's, I do not think they increase the effect of a large shipyard at all, which makes sense; they are floating machine shops capable of doing a lot of types of work, but a shipyard has a much greater capability to perform this same kind of work.  I put my AR's in large ports that don't have a shipyard and they tend to function as a poor man's shipyard, repairing SYS damage on small ships and eliminating flood damage.

According to the manual (pg 183), "a repair ship may help four ships per turn repair (bonus equal to increasing the port size by one". Accordingly they should help at all but the largest ports, but it's hard to say for sure. I DO know that ARs are a godsend in helping to repair flotation damage at smaller ports. As was suggested earlier in the thread, it's a very good idea to base a few of these at size 3-4 ports near the scene of anticipated naval combat - it's frequently THE difference between a sunk ship and one that's been patched up enough to limp home.

[Gormadoc]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Gormadoc

Have anyone any idea how long it takes for Japan to repair a damaged torpedo tube on a sub. Assuming its in a port 8 or above with a repair shipyard and a Naval HQ. ?

I have had some subs sitting for months now. So any info on people's experience with reparing these systems would be very appreciated.

Starting to get to me, not knowing when they could be operational again, suffering from sleep deprivation from laying awake all night wondering if i am doing something wrong[:(]

there´s a bug that shows the tube as damaged even though it has already repaired. The tubes should work fine. At least this is what people are saying.

Well, as I´m owner of a special copy of WITP it has never worked for me though. Not that the tubes are damaged and never work again, but I then see more than strange numbers of torps being launched and I also see very strange numbers of torps with the sub. Often it´s like this: If the sub has 4 forward and 4 rear tubes and one of the forward tubes is damaged, then it NEVER gets repaired in my games, but the sub launches 7!!!! torps in attacks then. So the 3 forward and 4 rear tubes together it seems. [8|] But like I said, this is what happens in my games and other people will tell you something different.

Supposedly, if the tubes are REALLY fixed, the number of torpedoes being carried after the sub replenishes at the appropriately-sized port will be correct.

If there is an "odd" number of torpedoes - it implies the tubes are NOT fixed.

So when i compare current substats with sub stats in ship database. I should just make sure theat "mount" and "ammo" numbers corresponds to database and ignore the red "x0" under number.

A thing i forgot to write is that the subs gets repaired to system damage 1. But i gues that do make sense if the game does not update torpedo tubes repair.

Ths for the help, i will try to send some of these subs on patrol and see what happens. Will be back with results.

Gormadoc

[n01487477]

This from the must read thread helped me alot:

tm.asp?m=1217165
I think it helps. From reading, repair rates are determined by Port Size, Repair Size, Naval HQ, AR's, luck ... The first two seem to be the most important... upgrade accordingly.

From my own observations, I do this:(IJN player)

1. Designate a rotation or port for ship types undergoing repairs.
So I have maybe 2 mid size ports/repair facilities doing AP/AK's, one for large damage, and another for smaller damage. I Rotate them. Some small ones for SS, and the others for capital ships.
2. Try not to have AK/AP/TK's loading and offloading at Ports where you want ships disbanded to repair quickly. Repairs seem to occur in smaller durability vessels more quickly that larger durability, and will gobble up those repair pts.
3. From point 2, vessels with large durability, I keep them repairing together, but as close to the ship repair yard capacity as possible.

Shipyard Repair uses Repair Points equal to the ship’s Durability +20. I.E., a DUR 5 DD will use 25 Repair Points, a DUR 120 CV will use 140. This is confirmed from actual play, the manual is incorrect on this point.
4. Each turn I try to keep an eye on the accumulated durability +20/ship Vs the Repair Yard capacity. So trying to keep ideally 1:1, but obviously looking below that is hard to achieve ... especially with upgrades.



5. Keeping at least 20K supplies at those bases also seems to help me ...

Anyway just my 2c...

---Damian---

[hvymtl13]

ORIGINAL: VSWG

Don't worry, PzB. I can assure you that ship repairs will be completely different in AE. [;)]

You just made my day.


I've seen where 2 carriers were hit, one sunk, one crippled and on the verge of sinking. Destroyers charged in at the enemy force, distracting it and sacrificing themselves to save the CV. End result- CV that was sunk, was rebuilt faster then the "saved" CV was repaired and an additional loss of 6-8 DD's. I'm not to thrilled with repair as it is currently. Thanks for the changes.