Please don't waste development time on TCPIP/LAN addon

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Yes it selfish to ask for a feature from the game producers that would improve the gaming experience for some people but it's quite fine for some gamers to arrogantly tell other gamers what the subjective 'best' way for the game design to be played online.


I would have thought it was the developers who made that call, not "some gamers".

There is nothing "arrogant" in stating an opinion, except (apparently) when you happen to disapprove of it. If anyone disagrees they are perfectly entitled to say so. It should be self evident that if nobody expressed an opinion as to "what is more important and should take precedence" nothing would get done at all.
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Reiryc wrote: Yes it selfish to ask for a feature from the game producers that would improve the gaming experience for some people but it's quite fine for some gamers to arrogantly tell other gamers what the subjective 'best' way for the game design to be played online.
Hertston wrote:I would have thought it was the developers who made that call, not "some gamers".

The developers in your statement above have what to do with the selfishness I talked about?
There is nothing "arrogant" in stating an opinion, except (apparently) when you happen to disapprove of it.

Oh really?

ar·ro·gant Audio pronunciation of "arrogant" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-gnt)
adj.

1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak.
If anyone disagrees they are perfectly entitled to say so.

They have, but disagreeing with an opinion has nothing to do with the matter of what constitutes arrogance.

It should be self evident to anyone that knows the meaning of arrogance understands that having and expressing an opinion that others disagree with does not constitutes arrogance. It's how one expresses such an opinion that makes the difference.
It should be self evident that if nobody expressed an opinion as to "what is more important and should take precedence" nothing would get done at all.

Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion for what one would like.

No need however for others to start threads telling other gamers what is the 'best' way to play online with the games design or worse, that they shouldn't get what they desire because it wasn't deemed important enough by another gamer as this thread has done. Again, that's arrogance.



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No need however for others to start threads telling other gamers what is the 'best' way to play online with the games design or worse, that they shouldn't get what they desire because it wasn't deemed important enough by another gamer as this thread has done. Again, that's arrogance.

Heh, and here I would ask you the question: What difference does it make? Have you any authority over these types of people? What makes your statements that they shouldn't have this attitude anymore credible than their own? In essense, you become as them in stating things "they shouldn't do". People have the right to most any attitude they wish, it's not against the law to be arrogant now is it? ;)

If people want to wish that there is no multiplayer feature and tell others reasons why with or without arrogance, that is their perogative, the main point being, it's no ones right, but, ones in "authority" to tell others on this forum what they can and cannot say and how they say it. So your arguements are rather moot when it comes to whether someone should or can use arrogance in their opinions. ;) It's sort of like, if you don't like it, well, that's rather just tough don't yah see? lol

So, if one wanted to say, like the origional poster there is no need for IP internet implementation into the game merely because they think and say so, that's their perogative and it's just too bad if some others don't agree. ;) Yeah it reads arrogant as heck, but, if that's the way a person wants to get their point across I see nothing wrong with it, it's an opinion an arrogant one, but, it does not warrant any reason it should not be stated as such.

When another tries to tell another not to be such in such, they they are attempting to impose their beliefs and opinions and even arrogance into the equation as well. So in essence you are being arrogant in saying another should not be arrogant, attempting to impose your self-righteous nature of thinking into the equation. Then I come along and become arrogant in my self-righteous nature of thinking that you should not do this. ;) In essence arrogance begats arrogance when one speaks out against it, because no one is superior on this thread (heck even moderators are arrogant sometimes, but, heh, they can be, they have the stick of authority to go along with it. ;) )

You're just a speck upon a speck within a speck of the greater void. heh What makes your beliefs/opinions so superior now? ;) Sometimes people need to be reminded just how "small" they really are. ;)
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Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.

Quite true. Who it actually applies to, though, is just another "matter of opinion", I guess.. [;)]
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As I've stated twice before in this thread, I've amended my position, and agreed it was wrong to say "don't put recources into it". I should have said, "please wait until everything else is fixed first". But if no one wants to bother reading the "entire" thread, i guess that's fine. Bash away.
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It seems that an amended position is fine unless it gets in the way of an argument :)

This entire thread would have been far more muted if folks said, "We are accustomed to multiplayer simultaneous-orders via tcp/ip and wish that it was incorporated into WAW. The PBEM option, although useful, doesn't work well in our situation since my friends and I get together to play several games at a LAN party. Or... my friends and I have other responsibilities and only have 3-4 hours to play over the internet. For us, playing games is more about getting together socially rather than playing a particular game. If a game can provide features that enhance our social gatherings AND provide game play superior to Axis and Allies, we would be KINGS OF THE WORLD."

Instead, folks have tended to say, "I was going to tell my 10,000 friends to buy WAW, but, since it doesn't have tcp/ip, I'm not going to tell them UNLESS the developers add it in by Tuesday." [Hyperbole intentional]

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As I've stated twice before in this thread, I've amended my position, and agreed it was wrong to say "don't put recources into it". I should have said, "please wait until everything else is fixed first". But if no one wants to bother reading the "entire" thread, i guess that's fine. Bash away.

I wouldn't worry, Reiryc and I have something of a history at the Steakhouse, and subtle insults keep us both happy. [;)]

We should keep it over there, though, so apologies for hijacking your thread. He and I are just too much alike, I think, although no doubt he would disagree! [:D]
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ORIGINAL: jpinard

As I've stated twice before in this thread, I've amended my position, and agreed it was wrong to say "don't put recources into it". I should have said, "please wait until everything else is fixed first". But if no one wants to bother reading the "entire" thread, i guess that's fine. Bash away.

Same thing in my book. The belief that everything you are concerned with or assume others are concerned with should be 'fixed first'.... Why do you think your concerns rate attending to over others concerns? Do you not think that some would rather tcp/ip be fixed first over some of the other concerns expressed around here?

I know it won't get fixed first and I have no problem with that. I wouldn't care if it was the last thing to get introduced but what I dislike is the attitude that your opinion has more merit and thus deserves to be attended to before anyone elses. How about just make a request for things you'd like fixed without the arrogance of putting priority on your opinion over others?
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Heh, and here I would ask you the question: What difference does it make? Have you any authority over these types of people? What makes your statements that they shouldn't have this attitude anymore credible than their own? In essense, you become as them in stating things "they shouldn't do". People have the right to most any attitude they wish, it's not against the law to be arrogant now is it? ;)

Should have continued reading the whole part you quoted.

The point demonstrated the arrogance and that's the difference it makes.

The rest of your post is pretty silly but instead of cluttering this thread with why I'll leave it alone as this isn't the board for it.
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The thing that makes it SOOO arrogant, is that the whole point they are making is that other things should be fixed first. My question is....what? They say dont add this before fixing other things, but neglect to mention those "other things". If you really have a valid argument for not adding TCP/IP, until other things are fixed first, then you need to at least give an example of what needs fixed before it. So far I havent seen one thing listed, not that would be more important, but anything really listed at all.
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Gentlemen,

I think we've all posted enough on this topic and you've discussed it enough as well. Rather than create any hard feelings, let's table this until we and the developers have had a chance to look into the request and respond. I'm asking, but if it gets out of control I'll simply lock the thread. Thanks.

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