AltHist-A: Shall We Try Again?

[Marshal Villars]

I agree with you Randomizer. I am not excited about re-starting either. But if we do, we will be playing on a "not so good" forage/fortress/supply point map of Europe.

Aaaaargh! Why didn't I do the mod 6 weeks ago?

Either way you cut it, I am thinking about recommending a "turns in by Monday and Thursday night schedule". This would be 2 turns a week or so.

-V

[IronWarrior]

I will go with whatever everyone else wants also.

Spain is concerned about the aggressive actions taken by France this last turn, and wonder if a ceasefire will be offered. Spain has committed to remaining neutral up until now but will campaign the international community for help if necessary.

Cordially,

Jose Canusi

Foreign Minister of Spain

[Mus]

In the event that we don't restart:

Hello,

It is Spanish aggression that has resulted in a state of war between France and Spain. Spain has deliberately assisted a military coup in Savoy/Piedmont which France was in the process of putting down. Spain has now upped the ante by moving troops close enough that this so called government in Savoy/Piedmont requested "protection" from their masters.

It is Spain that has orchestrated this war between us, as the war between France and the puppet regime in Savoy/Piedmont was already well under way before they deliberately got themselves involved.

All the same, France would be willing to sign a cease fire with Spain if Spain releases it's so called protectorate in Savoy/Piedmont and stops interferring in French operations in Northern Italy.

Regards,

Dumouriez,

Writing on behalf of His Majesty,

Louis XVI, King of France.

[Randomizer]

His Imperial Majesty cannot view the prospects of Spanish Armies operating in the north of Italy with equanimity.  Indeed, given the growing tensions and potential for conflict between Venetia and Vienna He fears that Spain may be trying to inculcate Spanish rule over all of the Italian Peninsula, an event that would be of Great Concern to Austria.
 
Tegettoff
Foriegn Minister to the Court of Franz II
Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary and cetera

[IronWarrior]

I can assure you that Spain has not attempted a coup in any territory. Such attempts to slander Spanish integrity is laughable and transparent (not to mention easily seen as false from the event reports lol). So be it, Spain will begin her campaign for alliances against such blatent disregard for Spanish soveriegnty!

Cordially,

Jose Canusi

Foreign Minister of Spain

[Mus]

We repeat: It is Spain's actions of supporting a puppet government in Savoy/Piedmont after a war between France and Savoy/Piedmont was already underway that has resulted in war between Spain and France. The presence of Spanish diplomats intruding themselves into an area of great French National Security interest is there for all to see.

Spain has no business in Savoy/Piedmont and thus no business forming a puppet government there and issuing an ultimatum to French forces prosecuting an ongoing war in Savoy/Piedmont.

If Spain does not want war, get out of French affairs and mind Spanish ones. Liberate Savoy/Piedmont immediately and we will sign a cease fire, otherwise defend your puppets if you can.

Regards,

Dumouriez,

Writing on behalf of His Majesty,

Louis XVI, King of France.

[IronWarrior]

Spain hereby calls on the international community to take action against French aggression and recognize the Piedmontese call for protection! We will table all propositions and urge other powers to take notice of illegal French claims upon Minor powers! We hope that Austria can see that Spain did not force her influence in Piedmont, rather it was her choice to ask Spain for protection. I do hope that Spain can appeal to the better judgement of the powers of Europe and that our pleas do not fall on deaf ears!

I urge diplomatic responses immediately!

Cordially,

Jose Canusi

Foreign Minister of Spain

[Mus]

France tires of pointing out blatant Spanish aggression in an area well outside that which could legitimately be considered a Spanish sphere of influence.

The fact that Savoy/Piedmont requested protection of their Spanish puppetmasters is irrelevant. Savoy/Piedmont is an area of critical national interest to France, whereas it's distance from Spain means that Spain has no legitimate interest there.

Spanish diplomats have been actively engaged in fostering good relations with Savoy/Piedmont for the express purpose of meddling in French affairs for months now.

Once French forces are well underway in operations in Savoy/Piedmont, with ample warning for Spain to recall it's diplomats and refuse this request for protection, Spain sets up a puppet government with Savoy/Piedmont and issues a laughable ultimatum to France.

Was Spanish strategy from the start to come to the international community hat in hand begging for help against France in a war Spain started? How ludicrous - and pathetic.

France calls on other countries in the area, particularly Austria, who has made his intentions to control N Italy well known to France (and which France has agreed to), to pay attention to this Spanish power grab.

We think it is high time the international community tell Spain to stay in their proper peninsula. That is the Iberian, not the Apennine.

Regards,

Dumouriez,

Writing on behalf of His Majesty,

Louis XVI, King of France.

[IronWarrior]

I can easily point out that Piedmont is of national interest to Spain as well, especially Sardinia. France has no right to force her will upon the Piedmontese, certainly when they ask Spain for protection. Obviously French diplomacy has failed, but this does not give France the right to impose her will or force Piedmont into submission. To call Spain the aggressors is laughable at best and we have done nothing but spread goodwill and sought peaceful, diplomatic efforts. Spain started nothing, and we ask the international community to act against such aggression- lest they be next. Those who do not answer the call can be sure that Spain will stand by and watch when France imposes her policies upon them!

Cordially,

Jose Canusi

Foreign Minister of Spain

[IronWarrior]

BTW- anyone else notice how many times the phrase "So be it" is used in diplomacy on this board? LOL [:D]

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

To call Spain the aggressors is laughable at best and we have done nothing but spread goodwill and sought peaceful, diplomatic efforts. Spain started nothing, and we ask the international community to act against such aggression- lest they be next.

And yet the clear chain of events is that France was campaigning in Savoy/Piedmont for a full month before Spain voluntarily interjected herself, formed a puppet government in Savoy/Piedmont, and issued an ultimatum to France. When France did not back down in the face of Spanish interferrence, Spain declared war.

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

Spain started nothing, and we ask the international community to act against such aggression- lest they be next. Those who do not answer the call can be sure that Spain will stand by and watch when France imposes her policies upon them!

I have already had extensive discussions with Austria regarding Italy and I believe we have an understanding. It is Spanish aggression that is cause for concern here. If Spain had some interest in Savoy/Piedmont I would have expected a communication prior to your ludicrous ultimatum.

It seems Spain really does want a war.

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: Marshal Villars

I think that we are leaning to re-start with the new mod file. Let me think about this.

I think it might be too bad. But, we can give it a try.

I will tell you within 24 hours.

Would like to know ASAP whether or not we are restarting. If we are I don't see any point in putting a bunch of thought into how I am going to squish Spain like a bug... errr I mean resolve the diplomatic crisis in Italy. No point in the forum antics either.

[;)]

Do we have a majority for restarting or not? Lots of "I dont care" votes.

If we restart, I will need files ASAP and we have to make sure everyone installs this thing correctly. I don't want another screw up like 109. Having it all in a folder that can just be placed in the correct spot would be a big plus.

Restart or no, we need to decide quickly and then get on with whatever we do.

[vaalen]

I too would like to know if we are restarting. I see little point in finishing my turn and plotting about what to do if we are not going to continue with the current game.

[IronWarrior]

Ditto... if we are to continue I have a lot of work to do as far as diplomatic correspondence, so I need to know ASAP as to not waste an enormous amount of time. [;)]

[Randomizer]

Let's finish this thing, there is no chance of duplicating all of the neat diplomatic events to date.  Austria's turn is in but there are diplomatic messages waiting to be prepared.

[Mus]

Could be the game has gotten so interesting nobody wants to restart anymore?

Regarding being unable to play an AltHistB, maybe you should drop out of GoingAgain1792 Villars and we should test the mod in a different game.

[Mus]

OFFICIAL VOTE TALLY POST:

Mus votes to continue or restart with mod, coming back to this game if mod fails to take

Randomizer changed his vote to continue.

Ironwarrior votes to continue or restart with mod, coming back to this game if mod fails to take.

Vaalen votes to restart.

Please chime in with your official vote.

Restart or continue are the two picks. Hopefully we can have this settled in 24 hours one way or the other.

I repeat the request that we do an AltHistB for playtesting the new map/supply system mod. Can't really say I sympathize with the not enough time arguments. Pick countries that require less diplomacy or something or just take it a little easier on the diplomacy aspects and focus on other areas of the game. My turns take maybe 10 minutes. If we only do a couple turns a week it should be super easy to do an extra game. These games are to test out new rulesets and ideas for changes to the game anyways, don't take it too seriously.

EDIT: Adding a third option, that we restart with the mod but return to this game if it doesn't take. This seems like best of both worlds to me.

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

BTW- anyone else notice how many times the phrase "So be it" is used in diplomacy on this board? LOL [:D]

Look at how often nobody backs down in real life, now consider in this nobody is even really gonna die.

"Let's Roll."

[IronWarrior]

Yeah let's keep going then, besides I think we were only doing a limited amount of turns anyway? Not to mention the problems we had with a mod before and there's no way of knowing if it will actually work or not beforehand.

[vaalen]

I vote to restart with the mod. One of the purposes of this game is help Villars to design a project. If Villars wants to restart for this purpose, I want to go along with him for the purpose of helping the design.

If not for this factor, I would like to continue what has become a very interesting game.