Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

[jesperpehrson]

Ok lets have a think on what to write on the supply units. I have been looking around the web and my books for something but so far nothing that could be used at all. So I am thinking something short and general like:

"This counter simulates the strategic decisions in regards to supply and direction that the military leaders of Major Power might take ."

Any other better ideas?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: capitan

Ok lets have a think on what to write on the supply units. I have been looking around the web and my books for something but so far nothing that could be used at all. So I am thinking something short and general like:

"This counter simulates the strategic decisions in regards to supply and direction that the military leaders of Major Power might take ."

Any other better ideas?

".T Supply units represent materiel that armies accumulated in anticipation that their supply lines might be cut. As such, there are no unit designations. .P The only distinguishing characteristic of these units is their movement points, which is loosely based on the owning major power's ability to move emergency supply to where it was needed."

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: capitan

Ok lets have a think on what to write on the supply units. I have been looking around the web and my books for something but so far nothing that could be used at all. So I am thinking something short and general like:

"This counter simulates the strategic decisions in regards to supply and direction that the military leaders of Major Power might take ."

Any other better ideas?

".T Supply units represent materiel that armies accumulated in anticipation that their supply lines might be cut. As such, there are no unit designations. .P The only distinguishing characteristic of these units is their movement points, which is loosely based on the owning major power's ability to move emergency supply to where it was needed."

Good! I´ll buy that! [:)]

[jesperpehrson]

I am putting my name down for the rest of CW colonies.

[grisouille_slith]

How could I help you in this huge task?

[jesperpehrson]

Heya Grisouille!

Your help would be much appreciated! There are a few nations that require some work (to put it mildly). If you are french-speaking, as I am guessing by the name, it would fantastic if you could take on the French Army but any help is great at this point of time. Send me a PM with your preferences and I will help you get started. For a list of available countries scroll up a bit and you will find an up-to-date list.

- Capitan

[Jimm]

With our growing archive of unit writeups, has any thought been given to crediting sources at all? With the Ialians I've been pretty careful to construct original text or (at the very least) paraphrase- and unless completely unavoidable construct writups from more than one source as I certainly would not be comfortable with the idea of any accusations of plagiarism.

I'm not proposing to create detailed referenced historical texts, but a general list of credited resources might be a good idea to acknowledge some of the sites & publications out there as a measure of courtesy and academic good practice?

just a thought.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Jimm

With our growing archive of unit writeups, has any thought been given to crediting sources at all? With the Ialians I've been pretty careful to construct original text or (at the very least) paraphrase- and unless completely unavoidable construct writups from more than one source as I certainly would not be comfortable with the idea of any accusations of plagiarism.

I'm not proposing to create detailed referenced historical texts, but a general list of credited resources might be a good idea to acknowledge some of the sites & publications out there as a measure of courtesy and academic good practice?

just a thought.

If you guys put together a bibliography, I'll include it somewhere.

But let me say yet again, please, no plagarism for the unit writeups.

[jesperpehrson]

Jimm,

the thought has crossed my mind and it would good academic pratice for sure.

Unfortunatly I am not sure how well organized we have been in documenting our sources for all of the near 500 writeups (yes 500!! Adam just sent in a big chunk of Americans for us). It is also not what we are doing really, our goal is to create original interesting pieces of information that can raise enough interest for the reader so that he himself can delve further into the issue, if he so choses.

[Greyshaft]

We did discuss bibliographies at the start of this project. The difficulty is that when you write lots of little 2-3 paragraph snippets of information (over 600 in my case for the air units and Generals plus a couple of thousand more for capitan's team) and you use the internet as one of your primary sources then you will wind up with a bibliography longer than the manual. What I have done is complile a list of a half dozen of the most useful internet sites as a starting point for any player who wants to read further about air units.

Steve's point about plagarism is extremely important. Every word you write must be your own and preferably using information sourced and checked from multiple locations.

[wosung]

For Chinese writeups I could contribute to the bibliography.
Nearly all of my sources are printed materials.
How many titles should be included?

Regards

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: wosung

For Chinese writeups I could contribute to the bibliography.
Nearly all of my sources are printed materials.
How many titles should be included?

Regards

Mostly what you consider appropriate: some, more than a couple, not all, nor even close to all.

If you think that others will find them interesting, that's important too. This is partially about giving credit but it's more about the authors having published useful and interesting stuff that you think players of MWIF might want to read/examine too.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: wosung

For Chinese writeups I could contribute to the bibliography.
Nearly all of my sources are printed materials.
How many titles should be included?

Regards

Mostly what you consider appropriate: some, more than a couple, not all, nor even close to all.

If you think that others will find them interesting, that's important too. This is partially about giving credit but it's more about the authors having published useful and interesting stuff that you think players of MWIF might want to read/examine too.

What Steve writes is particulary true, because seeing Wosung often refeering to the Oxford Companion to WWII in the China map thread made me buy the book too (and it is awesome).

[jesperpehrson]

I will ask everyone who has contributed if they like to add a website or a book or other reference and I will compile it in a list for Steve.

[mldtchdog]

The USA arsenal contains 29 corps sized units that are non-historical: 5 inf, 1 cav, 2 para, 1 mtn, 5 garr, 5 mot, 3 mech, 3 arm and also the ambigious 5 militia. Or roughly half of all the corps available. Other than simply saying that these units did not exist I've been thinking that I would concentrate on the pre-war/ early war strategic planning and mlitary development of the United States. i.e the development of American armored forces, ect...
 
examples:
[2020][XXXIX]
.T The XXXIX Corps was never activated.
.P The Victory Plan, created by General Wedemeyer of the War Plans Department in September 1941as an estimate of rescource and industrial production needs, predicted that the Army of the United States would need 54 triangular style infantry divisions to fight and win a global war. A triangular division consists of 3 regiments instead of the 4 regiment, or square, divisions of WWI. 66 infantry divisions were activated for WWII.
.P To get a realistic loook at material needs Wedemeyer had to theorize about the forces America would need to fight the coming war. Forces allocated included the Brazilian Task Force, a smallish corps to counter-attack and German assault into South America, the Columbia-Peru-Ecudor Task Force, most likely to be used to reinfoce the defense of Panama, and 3 field armies for fighting in Europe. He also planned for 2 more armies to defend North America.
 
[2060][LVI GARR]
.T The LVI Corps was never formed although, in game terms, it could easily represent the Caribbean Defense Command.
.P The Caribbean Defense Command was activated in in February 1941. Of greatest concern to the USA in terms of threat to the western hemisphere was an Axis invasion of Brazil from Dakur in Africa. Available forces were identified and organized under the Caribbean Defense Command in preperation to prevent this.
 
Basically, what I'm asking what do you think to this approach. Other ideas? I turned in preliminary ones to Capitan for his input but I thought I'd post here to see what anyone else thinks

[Mziln]

ORIGINAL: mldtchdog

The USA arsenal contains 29 corps sized units that are non-historical: 5 inf, 1 cav, 2 para, 1 mtn, 5 garr, 5 mot, 3 mech, 3 arm and also the ambigious 5 militia. Or roughly half of all the corps available. Other than simply saying that these units did not exist I've been thinking that I would concentrate on the pre-war/ early war strategic planning and mlitary development of the United States. i.e the development of American armored forces, ect...

examples:
[2020][XXXIX]
.T The XXXIX Corps was never activated.
.P The Victory Plan, created by General Wedemeyer of the War Plans Department in September 1941as an estimate of rescource and industrial production needs, predicted that the Army of the United States would need 54 triangular style infantry divisions to fight and win a global war. A triangular division consists of 3 regiments instead of the 4 regiment, or square, divisions of WWI. 66 infantry divisions were activated for WWII.
.P To get a realistic loook at material needs Wedemeyer had to theorize about the forces America would need to fight the coming war. Forces allocated included the Brazilian Task Force, a smallish corps to counter-attack and German assault into South America, the Columbia-Peru-Ecudor Task Force, most likely to be used to reinfoce the defense of Panama, and 3 field armies for fighting in Europe. He also planned for 2 more armies to defend North America.

[2060][LVI GARR]
.T The LVI Corps was never formed although, in game terms, it could easily represent the Caribbean Defense Command.
.P The Caribbean Defense Command was activated in in February 1941. Of greatest concern to the USA in terms of threat to the western hemisphere was an Axis invasion of Brazil from Dakur in Africa. Available forces were identified and organized under the Caribbean Defense Command in preperation to prevent this.

Basically, what I'm asking what do you think to this approach. Other ideas? I turned in preliminary ones to Capitan for his input but I thought I'd post here to see what anyone else thinks

[Shannon V. OKeets]

I completely agree with Mziln.

[Froonp]

Mee too !

[wosung]

With the Chinese units, I have the same problem, to put it mildly.

In those cases I listed further information anyhow related to these hypthetical units and speculated about possible ways for them coming into existence.

But with five to seven hypothetical mot, mech, armor, para units the write- ups tend to be repetitive.

Regards

[michaelbaldur]

I have the same trouble with the canadians .....