Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[lookas231]

ORIGINAL: KC45

ORIGINAL: lookas231

As far as I know, South Korea A330 MRTT has flying boom and wing drogue system. But CMO's South korea A330 MRTT has only wing drogue refueling system.

Because of this, All South Korea aircraft cannot be refuelled by MRTT.

And South Korean A330 MRTT designated as 'KC-330 Cygnus'. I hope it gets fixed soon.

SK's A330 MRTT has flying boom for KF-16/F-15K fighters in CMO. Better update Data base to newest build.

I never thought I use old build DB in CMO. I checked air refuel again and there are no problem. Thank you.

[KLAB]

Ref CMO -DB480 The updated TSARH versions of the AA-10A/C - #3585 R-27R and #3586 R-27ER have not got a corresponding 00/100000 record for the magazines?

And in magazines specific to 'TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov [Pr.1143.5]'

#1459 Carrier Magazine for Russia 2015 doesn't have any of the AA-10A or AA-10C TSARH R-27R or R-27ER in it which makes rearming the Su-33 problematic?
You can of course easily get round it with some mods but it would be nice to have it as a default.

Magazine currently contains:
60/60 AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR SARH]
120/120 AA-11 Archer [R-73]
120/120 AA-12 Adder B [R-77-1, RVV-SD]
84/84 APR-2 Orlan-M
24/24 AS-17 Krypton A [Kh-31A, ASM]
20/20 AS-17 Krypton C [Kh-31P, ARM]
24/24 AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35U Star]
400/400 FAB-250M-54 GPB
200/200 FAB-500M-54 GPB
200/200 FAB-500M-62 GPB
40/40 KAB-500Kr TV/EO
600/600 OFAB-100-120 Frag
20/20 PLAB-50 Depth Charge
36/36 PLAB-250 Depth Charge
20/20 RBK-250-PTAB CB [30 x PTAB-2.5 Anti-Tank Bomblets]
20/20 RBK-500-PTAB CB [268 x PTAB-1M Anti-Tank Bomblets]
640/640 S-8KO 80mm Rocket [HEAT]
0/84 AT-2M

Thanks and really like the changes ref CMO. K

[Hongjian]

Would like to request the PHL-16 370mm MRLS, shown during the Chinese 70th anniversary parade on Oct.1 this year.



The older export version is called AR-3 and has a range of 220km, with a CEP of 50m using GPS guided rockets:

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/ar3.htm

The new version adopted by the PLA is likely the one shown during IDEX 2015, with an improved range of 280km and CEP of 30m, also using GPS guided rounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNCg7s9EAxw

This weapon's designation being "PHL-16" indicates that it has already been introduced in 2016, albeit in small numbers presummably. Mass-deployment would be around 2018 - 2020.

[conforoa]

hello everyone, I resume my photo updates for CMO, 17 illustrations and already missing: all versions of 3M Bison are not represented, it lacks; for the A400M Grizzly the UK and Malaysian versions do not appear. here is a start. Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M_Atlas

[Tookatee]

The #949, #1001, and #1752 variants of the Sky Flash missile all have various incorrect stats. The #949 and #1001 missiles should have: a "Launch Altitude" value of 328.084-52,493 feet (or 100-16,000 m in metric), the minimum target altitude should be changed to 246.06 feet, the maximum target altitude be changed to 59,500 feet (18,200 m), a "Range (anti-air):" value of 2.7-26.98 nautical miles, and a top speed of 2666.95 knots.

The #1752 missile should have: a "Range (anti-air):" value of 2-38.54 nautical miles (due to the Super TEMP upgrade adding a new rocket motor that increased the burn time from four seconds to seven seconds), a minimum target altitude of 246.06 feet, a top speed of 2666.95 knots, and have its rocket motor renamed to the Aerojet Hoopoe as that is the proper motor it received as apart of the Sky Flash Super TEMP upgrade.

The #949 Sky Flash also erroneously has the "Capable vs Seaskimmer" property (despite the fact that it's the oldest variant in the database and was not even capable of engaging sea skimming targets in real life due to its relatively high minimum target altitude requirement of 246.06 feet.)

Sources: https://www.forecastinternational.com/a ... RC_ID=1098 , https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... -specs.htm , https://books.google.com/books?id=xgMkD ... MP&f=false , and https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4A ... ts&f=false

[BurntChickenDot]

Apparently the Tornado F.2 was produced with a so-called 'Blue Circle' radar, aka a lump of concrete ballast, due to the intended Foxhunter radar not being available at the time. Would it be possible to add this Blue Circle-equipped Tornado F.2 to the DB?

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: BurntChickenDot

Apparently the Tornado F.2 was produced with a so-called 'Blue Circle' radar, aka a lump of concrete ballast, due to the intended Foxhunter radar not being available at the time. Would it be possible to add this Blue Circle-equipped Tornado F.2 to the DB?

I like this for Easter Egg value but I can definitely foresee a bug report from a confused player wondering why there's a sensor with 0 detection ability attached to an aircraft.

[Tookatee]

The #18852 and #18853 Mk82 Snakeeye loadouts that are found on several of the AV-8B Harriers improperly have the LDGB variant of the Mk82 rather than the #1404 Mk82 Snakeeye.

[FrangibleCover]

Blue Circle, sadly, seems to have been a joke invented after the fact. The early Tornado F.2s did have concrete ballast because Foxhunter wasn't ready but it wasn't called that at the time, I've seen disagreement over whether any Tornado F.2s received Foxhunter without becoming F.3s. Certainly an early service Tornado ADV with no radar and no Skyflashes could have some scenario utility, in the same way as the early EF-2000s and Rafales with only heaters.

[CmdSoda]

The C-2A[#633](retired) and C-2A(R)[#2891](in service) both seem to have 26 seats for passengers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-2_Greyhound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXvhNlSDay8

They are starting to enter the plane at 02:55.

The simulation only has a loadout with 16x passengers (SEAL Commando)

[Tookatee]

The #1935 Hsiung Feng I has an incorrect maximum range value, weight, warhead weight, and top speed. It should have a maximum range of 40 km (or 21.5983 nautical miles), a total weight of 537.5 kg, a warhead weight of 150 kg of HE, and a top speed of 433.38 knots.

Source: Missile Defense Project, "Hsiung Feng I / IA," Missile Threat, Center for Strategic and International Studies, July 13, 2017, last modified June 15, 2018, https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/hsiung-feng-ia/

[Laudern]

#4658 EV-22E Opsrey
Type is not ASW, it should be AEW from what I found.

[Dreamsicle]

Not sure where to post this part as it's mainly inquiries regarding the F-35C.

#4873 F-35C 2024 has the JSOW-ER but #3836 F-35C 2025 does not have this weapon usable in any of its loadouts. Additionally, #4874 F-35C 2028 has lost almost all of its external loadouts except the GBU-12/D along with the ability to use the JATM (as stated in an earlier post, the larger LJDAMs and almost all the Paveways with the exception of the GBU-12. Are these discrepancies intended? If not would it be possible to add the JSOW-ER to the 2025 variant and the additional weapons and external loadouts from the 2025 variant to the 2028 variant?

Finally can the hypothetical naval aircraft that have 2020 variants have additional future variants with the new weapons systems like the JSOW-ER, JAGM, JATM and AARGM-ER? As these are hypothetical aircraft I understand that this request will be low in priority.

[stilesw]

#4873 F-35C 2024 has the JSOW-ER but #3836 F-35C 2025 does not have this weapon usable in any of its loadouts. Additionally, #4874 F-35C 2028 has lost almost all of its external loadouts except the GBU-12/D along with the ability to use the JATM (as stated in an earlier post, the larger LJDAMs and almost all the Paveways with the exception of the GBU-12. Are these discrepancies intended? If not would it be possible to add the JSOW-ER to the 2025 variant and the additional weapons and external loadouts from the 2025 variant to the 2028 variant?

Finally can the hypothetical naval aircraft that have 2020 variants have additional future variants with the new weapons systems like the JSOW-ER, JAGM, JATM and AARGM-ER? As these are hypothetical aircraft I understand that this request will be low in priority.

Noted for possible future DB3K changes.

-WS

[x2oop]

I found a very detailed article about new Iranian long range AD system called Bavar-373. It might be helpful if you considered adding it to DB at some point:

https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2019/08 ... ofile.html

[gosnold]

A few requests on near-future French platforms:

1) First of all thanks for adding the FTI frigates
#3172 FTI Belharra frigate should be called Amiral Ronarc’h FDI (5x, 2023)
It should not have any A-35 Sylver MICA VL silos, but it should have two Sylver A50 silos instead of just one.
It also should not have the Herakles radar, only the Seafire.
Source is xav which posted this in the news thread:
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... i-frigate/

2) Please a 3 Archange SIGINT planes. It's a general SIGINT platform based on the Dassault Falcon 8x airframe, IOC 2025, 3 planes are to be procured.
Source in French:
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/actuali ... e-archange

3) Vulcano-class logistics ship for the Italian Navy (2020,2x) and their derivative for the French navy (2023,4x)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcano-c ... pport_ship
http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-fran ... 20000.html

4) CERES SIGINT satellites. It's a triplet like the early NOSS, launch 2020 (unknown orbit, you could use the same as a NOSS as a placeholder)

5) H160M guepard helicopter. It replaces medium helicopter in the Army, Air force and Navy. Has a FLIR, a radar, and can carry a Sea Venom missile or machine guns. IOC 2026
https://www.airbus.com/helicopters/mili ... h160M.html
https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... 1&qlt=85,0

[apd1004]

Found these recently - modernization of an old warhorse:

ZSU-23-4MP Biala, a modernized version of ZSU-23-4 Shilka in Polish service (IOC 2012-ish?). Looks like they have already equipped two of their tank brigades with these. Got rid of the radar and went with a passive optoelectronic TV/thermal imaging fire control system (no ESM signature!) and also added 4 x GROM (Polish version of SA-18) SAM launchers on the turret.

http://www.zmt.tarnow.pl/wordpress/en/item/przeciwlotniczy-samobiezny-zestaw-artyleryjsko-rakietowy-zsu-23-4mp-biala/

Also looks like Ukraine is developing their own modernized version called ZSU-23-4M-A, unknown IOC or if they have even purchased it yet but it sounds like trials began in 2018. Looks like this one still has a radar but it too has the 4 SAM launchers (Igla SA-18/SA-24 in this case).

https://defence-ua.com/index.php/en/publications/defense-express-publications/3904-new-capabilities-for-the-zsu-23-4-shilka

[Tookatee]

The #1627-1628 Sea Cat and #1854 and #344 Tiger Cat missiles have an incorrect top speed. It should be 550.755 knots rather than 800.

Sources: http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforc ... gercat-sam and Naval Armament, https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4A ... at&f=false , https://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airfor ... gercat-sam , and Doug Richardson, Jane's Publishing, 1981, ISBN 0-531-03738-X

[Zathred]

The SA-15 Tor mobile SAM system modelling seems to have some issues. Not sure whether this is classified as a coding or DB problem.

1. There are several variants of the unit in the database but they all share the same DBID #2606 Scrum Half FCR radar which allows x2 max targets to be illuminated. The different variants have different max targets (Tor-M: x1, Tor-M1: x2, Tor-M2: x4)

2. The WRA allows 1,2,3 or all weapons per salvo but all variants of the Tor can only guide max 2 missiles per target

The result is the original Tor such as DBID #288 is over-powered and the later M2 variants are underpowered both in terms of number of simultaneous targets and number of missiles guided per target.

Note that each "unit" is a platoon of x2 Tor vehicles which I have allowed for in the evaluation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_missile_system

[KLAB]

Two part request for consideration please as it effects a significant platform: Based on issues with the PALASH/PALMA systems on the Gorshkov:

PART 1: There are two SA-N-24's in the DB480.

1. DB #2693 SA-N-24 Grinch [9M342] This is essentially the Igla-S SA-24 Grinch MANPAD and in its naval version mounted predominantly on the 3M47 Gibka automated mount.
NATO reporting name Grinch has long been accredited to the Igla-S from multiple sources.
If the convention of naval systems following land based equivalents then everything points to the SA-N-24 Grinch being accurate.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallar ... rms_id=714
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_ ... ns_uk.html
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems ... ons/3m-47/


2. DB #3350 SA-N-24 Grinch [9M337] Sosna-RA SSM capable THIS IS NOT ACCURATE PLEASE AMEND #3350 REMOVE SA-N-24 Grinch title.
The Wikepedia references Sosna as the SA-24 from an ARMYRECOGNITION fact page yet the same source references the Igla-S as the SA-24.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_ ... 12155.html
http://kbtochmash.com/defence-products/ ... -en_2.html

It would appear that in reality SOSNA as yet it does not have its own NATO reference.
The reporting name Grinch would not be used for two completely different systems even if SA-N-24 were in use.
The production missile is the 9M340 Sosna - 9M337 was the trials and evaluation version.
The missile is listed as SALH, it is not, it uses ACLOS laser command guidance.

Sosna-R 9M340 (not 9M337)
RANGE 10KM
ALTITUDE MAX 5KM
ALTITUDE Minimum 2M
WEIGHT 30KG
SPEED 900M/S 1749 kts
LENGTH (Still checking!)
CALIBRE 130MM (WITH BOOSTER) 72MM (MISSILE)
Targets Airborne - Aircraft/Missiles/PGM/Drone

PART 2: It would be ideal to have two versions of the PALASH CIWS (OR FOUR IF THE EXPORT PALMA system has a separate DB entry)
PALASH / PALMA are distant lighter cousins of the CADS-N-1 KASHTAN/KORTIK lacking the complex and heavy FCR e.t.c.

#2549 CADS-N-1 PALASH RENAME to just PALASH CADS [2 X 30mm AO-18KD 8 X 3M340 Sosna-R Missiles]
http://kbtochmash.com/defence-products/ ... -en_2.html - PALMA 30mm+Sosna export version in detail from the manufacturers web page.

NEW MOUNT (COPY) #2549 CADS-N-1 PALASH RENAME to just PALASH CIWS [2 X 30mm AO-18KD] Remove SOSNA missiles. As fitted to Gorshkovs.
http://kbtochmash.com/defence-products/ ... -en_2.html PALMA 30mm only export version in detail from the manufacturers web page.

DETAILS OF THE FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM COMMON TO BOTH SYSTEMS;
http://kbtochmash.com/defence-products/ ... -en_1.html
TV/Thermal/Laser rangefinder - Electro Optical Fire control system that can be integrated with and cued by other ship sensors but is autonomous in operation.

Thanks for consideration. K

ORIGINAL: Scar79

#2310 - SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0] (Russia [1992-] - 2017)
#2816 - SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0] (Russia [1992-] - 2019)
#3174 - SKR Admiral Flota Kasatonov [Pr.2235.0] (Russia [1992-] - 2019)

SA-N-22 Greyhound [Pantsir-M] and everything related to it(FCR Hot Shot [1RS2 Shlem], missiles and magazines for them) needs to be replaced with CADS-N-1 [Palash] but without adding SA-N-24 Grinch [9M337 Sosna-RA] missiles.

Reference images:

Palash AAA on the pr.2235.0 frigate.


Palash/Palma CIWS with Sosna missiles on Vietnamese Pr.1166.1E frigate.


Pantsir-M on the pr.22800(Karakurt-class) missile corvette.