OT - The New Coronavirus

[RangerJoe]

Australian researchers discover how body's immune system fights coronavirus COVID-19

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/ ... yPfGswqeNo

With so many things closing, expect a baby boom starting in 9 months . . .

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

With so many things closing, expect a baby boom starting in 9 months

Yes. In the EU we might have one this fall. And I mean one hitting the market.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/17/coronavi ... -12414537/

A Chinese or Indian are most welcome. Cheap if not free... and let the usual suspects choke on their martinis [;)]

Edit: apologies, you're talking about real babies

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

With so many things closing, expect a baby boom starting in 9 months

Yes. In the EU we might have one this fall. And I mean one hitting the market.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/17/coronavi ... -12414537/

A Chinese or Indian are most welcome. Cheap if not free... and let the usual suspects choke on their martinis [;)]

Edit: apologies, you're talking about real babies

No need for apologies. I was not insulted. That is a different kind of baby but one that will be most welcome.

[Erik Rutins]

This is quite encouraging, if it can be scaled up:

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/statu ... 64/photo/1

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

This is quite encouraging, if it can be scaled up:

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/statu ... 64/photo/1

I agree.

[Rising-Sun]

ORIGINAL: balto

Curtis LeMay, why did you post that? We know you have math skills because of ToW. Chill out and maybe someone will close this post. Ridiculous, this will pass.., relax.

He like to drop bombs on people, just ignored him. Sometimes he in a good mood and sometimes he is not.

[Rising-Sun]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Granny, what did you do during the great virus of 2020?

I played Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay with my toys and stayed inside out of harm's way.
I'd have liked to play a wargame, but they just couldn't figure out how to launch Sealion. Same ole hassle eh.

That is cool, I though about getting the roleplaying book Fire and Ice to play out Game of Throne, w/e that is. Its a very popular book, but different from the TV Series. After watching part of last season eight, it was a huge downfall and didn't like it at all.

Kinda hard to find someone local to play with you, esp this virus going on. Best thing is find something you enjoy online, but people online seem to be pretty hateful and not friendly to be around with.

[MrsWargamer]

ORIGINAL: Rising-Sun


That is cool, I though about getting the roleplaying book Fire and Ice to play out Game of Throne, w/e that is. Its a very popular book, but different from the TV Series. After watching part of last season eight, it was a huge downfall and didn't like it at all.

Kinda hard to find someone local to play with you, esp this virus going on. Best thing is find something you enjoy online, but people online seem to be pretty hateful and not friendly to be around with.

The process is not really any different than playing a board wargame solo.

You sit there as the DM, you have made up PCs for the toys (in my case), you give them each a personality (Frank wants to be a dwarf, and the raccoon plans to be a thief), you have them make choices that seem reasonable, you roll a lot of dice, and you pretend to not know what the oppoent is thinking (just like with a wargame).
The only real danger, is you have too much fun, and anyone catching you, thinks you've lost your friggin mind

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

ORIGINAL: Rising-Sun


That is cool, I though about getting the roleplaying book Fire and Ice to play out Game of Throne, w/e that is. Its a very popular book, but different from the TV Series. After watching part of last season eight, it was a huge downfall and didn't like it at all.

Kinda hard to find someone local to play with you, esp this virus going on. Best thing is find something you enjoy online, but people online seem to be pretty hateful and not friendly to be around with.

The process is not really any different than playing a board wargame solo.

You sit there as the DM, you have made up PCs for the toys (in my case), you give them each a personality (Frank wants to be a dwarf, and the raccoon plans to be a thief), you have them make choices that seem reasonable, you roll a lot of dice, and you pretend to not know what the oppoent is thinking (just like with a wargame).
The only real danger, is you have too much fun, and anyone catching you, thinks you've lost your friggin mind

For me, that would be the proof that some people would need.

Of course, to make it more complicated, you could set up a certain number of actions for each character and then roll a die or more to see what they will do or not do.

A person might be able to make up a video conference call and have a DM/controller to oversee things.

[Erik Rutins]

I think this describes why we have to act now well:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/we- ... -covid-19/

[Erik Rutins]

Can we "flatten the curve" enough? These may be of interest:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... virus.html

https://projects.propublica.org/graphic ... -hospitals

[Red2112]

It seem´s some folks here, and goverments don´t have the real facts clear yet, or simply ignor them...

1)- Unless we have enough test kit´s, and then test given, we wont know how many are infected, thus all those numbers are not worth much!
Why goverments are not doing something about the test kits is quite bizzar!

2)- The lockdown is to avoid spread to those very vunarable, and because of shortage of supply´s and resources (medical, protection gear, personell, beds etc.).

3)- The most vunarable are the elder with heart issues, debetis, and resperotory issues. This was the case of my mother at age 86, debetis, heart issues (x2 stens) and water in lungs. She maybe would have lived for a bit more, but due to her catching the infection she died two days ago. Any one over 60 with the above mentioned health issues are at risk and should take special care! Age could go down as much as 45 if similar health issues are present, we are still not sure the effect it has on certain age, but we do know which healt issues help the virus to be deadly!

4)- We don´t know how long this will last, and/or if there will be a second or more waves! How can we know, if we don´t know how many are really infected? Staying home is just a prevention, and alot of goverments have taken there time to take on effective mesures!

5)- With regards to warmer climate, southren country´s will dictate if it´s true or not.

A world state of siege undecover? Unfortunately we wont know the real reasons for now, what we do know it´s world-wide so we are all in it sooner or later. Personally I don´t trust ANY goverment, they are just buisiness men and only care for one thing! A similar thing with the media!

Stay home, stay safe and be open minded for what´s up and coming.

Red

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[MrRoadrunner]

Sorry for your loss Red.
When it gets personal it really resonates?

My mom is 83. Still with us, and sheltering in place in her home.

We both live in the "ground zero" of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.

I am in the "susceptible age group" along with congestive heart failure. Not quite sheltering in place, unless money starts falling from the sky.

RR

[Red2112]

Thank you MrRoadrunner. Do keep safe please.

For those open minded...

The hunger game society:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1lJks00Zo

[Curtis Lemay]

Today's worldwide figures:

Total Cases: 213557
Total Recovered: 84317
Total Deaths: 8790

Death Rate: 8790 / (8790 + 84317) = 9.4%

That's up from 8.5% yesterday.

Note that the above figures are all we have to work with. If you don't like the results you can:

1. Manipulate the data. That means cherry-picking the data you like and ignoring the data you don't like. That's an obvious vector for bias.
2. Speculate about unknowns. That seems to be the balm most of you are turning to (especially for the recoveries - not the deaths). But this will only result in a guess and everyone's guess will vary wildly. (And deaths are unknown as well - victims that died at home alone may not be found for months, and N. Korea's and Iran's numbers are suspect).
3. Cram the unresolved cases into the "recovered" column. Obviously wrong.
4. Wait months for a fully accurate accounting. We can't do that. We need the best estimate NOW.

The figure above is the only one we have that is available NOW, and has no data MANIPULATION or SPECULATION.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:

Total Cases: 213557
Total Recovered: 84317
Total Deaths: 8790

Death Rate: 8790 / (8790 + 84317) = 9.4%

That's up from 8.5% yesterday.

Note that the above figures are all we have to work with. If you don't like the results you can:

1. Manipulate the data. That means cherry-picking the data you like and ignoring the data you don't like. That's an obvious vector for bias.
2. Speculate about unknowns. That seems to be the balm most of you are turning to (especially for the recoveries - not the deaths). But this will only result in a guess and everyone's guess will vary wildly. (And deaths are unknown as well - victims that died at home alone may not be found for months, and N. Korea's and Iran's numbers are suspect).
3. Cram the unresolved cases into the "recovered" column. Obviously wrong.
4. Wait months for a fully accurate accounting. We can't do that. We need the best estimate NOW.

The figure above is the only one we have that is available NOW, and has no data MANIPULATION or SPECULATION.

You are the fear monger. You are cherry picking the information to use and you have been told that it is wrong. Are you one of those hyping the bad while you are selling stuff at artificially high prices? Or are you just helping others get obscene profits?

[z1812]

ORIGINAL: Red2112

It seem´s some folks here, and goverments don´t have the real facts clear yet, or simply ignor them...

1)- Unless we have enough test kit´s, and then test given, we wont know how many are infected, thus all those numbers are not worth much!
Why goverments are not doing something about the test kits is quite bizzar!

2)- The lockdown is to avoid spread to those very vunarable, and because of shortage of supply´s and resources (medical, protection gear, personell, beds etc.).

3)- The most vunarable are the elder with heart issues, debetis, and resperotory issues. This was the case of my mother at age 86, debetis, heart issues (x2 stens) and water in lungs. She maybe would have lived for a bit more, but due to her catching the infection she died two days ago. Any one over 60 with the above mentioned health issues are at risk and should take special care! Age could go down as much as 45 if similar health issues are present, we are still not sure the effect it has on certain age, but we do know which healt issues help the virus to be deadly!

4)- We don´t know how long this will last, and/or if there will be a second or more waves! How can we know, if we don´t know how many are really infected? Staying home is just a prevention, and alot of goverments have taken there time to take on effective mesures!

5)- With regards to warmer climate, southren country´s will dictate if it´s true or not.

A world state of siege undecover? Unfortunately we wont know the real reasons for now, what we do know it´s world-wide so we are all in it sooner or later. Personally I don´t trust ANY goverment, they are just buisiness men and only care for one thing! A similar thing with the media!

Stay home, stay safe and be open minded for what´s up and coming.

Red

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I am very sorry for your loss. My sympathy to you and your family.

What you have posted above is spot on.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Red2112

It seem´s some folks here, and goverments don´t have the real facts clear yet, or simply ignor them...

1)- Unless we have enough test kit´s, and then test given, we wont know how many are infected, thus all those numbers are not worth much!
Why goverments are not doing something about the test kits is quite bizzar!

2)- The lockdown is to avoid spread to those very vunarable, and because of shortage of supply´s and resources (medical, protection gear, personell, beds etc.).

3)- The most vunarable are the elder with heart issues, debetis, and resperotory issues. This was the case of my mother at age 86, debetis, heart issues (x2 stens) and water in lungs. She maybe would have lived for a bit more, but due to her catching the infection she died two days ago. Any one over 60 with the above mentioned health issues are at risk and should take special care! Age could go down as much as 45 if similar health issues are present, we are still not sure the effect it has on certain age, but we do know which healt issues help the virus to be deadly!

4)- We don´t know how long this will last, and/or if there will be a second or more waves! How can we know, if we don´t know how many are really infected? Staying home is just a prevention, and alot of goverments have taken there time to take on effective mesures!

5)- With regards to warmer climate, southren country´s will dictate if it´s true or not.

A world state of siege undecover? Unfortunately we wont know the real reasons for now, what we do know it´s world-wide so we are all in it sooner or later. Personally I don´t trust ANY goverment, they are just buisiness men and only care for one thing! A similar thing with the media!

Stay home, stay safe and be open minded for what´s up and coming.

Red

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My condolences Red:

The Dash

the poem by Linda Ellis

I read of a man who stood to speak at the funeral of a friend. He referred to the dates on the tombstone from the beginning… to the end.

He noted that first came the date of birth and spoke of the following date with tears, but he said what mattered most of all was the dash between those years.

For that dash represents all the time they spent alive on earth and now only those who loved them know what that little line is worth.

For it matters not, how much we own, the cars… the house… the cash. What matters is how we live and love and how we spend our dash.

So think about this long and hard; are there things you’d like to change? For you never know how much time is left that still can be rearranged.

To be less quick to anger and show appreciation more and love the people in our lives like we’ve never loved before.

If we treat each other with respect and more often wear a smile… remembering that this special dash might only last a little while.

So when your eulogy is being read, with your life’s actions to rehash, would you be proud of the things they say about how you lived your dash?

Remember, you are part of your mother's dash. Take care and be well.

Edit: I forgot the link:

https://thedashpoem.com/

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:

Total Cases: 213557
Total Recovered: 84317
Total Deaths: 8790

Death Rate: 8790 / (8790 + 84317) = 9.4%

That's up from 8.5% yesterday.

Note that the above figures are all we have to work with. If you don't like the results you can:

1. Manipulate the data. That means cherry-picking the data you like and ignoring the data you don't like. That's an obvious vector for bias.
2. Speculate about unknowns. That seems to be the balm most of you are turning to (especially for the recoveries - not the deaths). But this will only result in a guess and everyone's guess will vary wildly. (And deaths are unknown as well - victims that died at home alone may not be found for months, and N. Korea's and Iran's numbers are suspect).
3. Cram the unresolved cases into the "recovered" column. Obviously wrong.
4. Wait months for a fully accurate accounting. We can't do that. We need the best estimate NOW.

The figure above is the only one we have that is available NOW, and has no data MANIPULATION or SPECULATION.

You are the fear monger. You are cherry picking the information to use and you have been told that it is wrong. Are you one of those hyping the bad while you are selling stuff at artificially high prices? Or are you just helping others get obscene profits?

FFS...why can't you people just let it go. [8|]

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Can we "flatten the curve" enough? These may be of interest:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... virus.html

https://projects.propublica.org/graphic ... -hospitals

When I see sites declaring that the U.S. isn't ready for this disease all I can do is laugh at the stupidity of the people who bother to present those stories. NO COUNTRY IS OR WAS READY!! No nation has thousand and thousands of empty beds just waiting for the next pandemic. No nation has thousands and millions of tons of medical supplies and equipment stashed in warehouses 'just in case'. No one was ready. No one. We can stash away billions and trillions of tons of munitions 'just in case' but when it comes to health it's a crap shoot.