Resource pathways

[Tophat1815]

On another subject: no oil surplus in Manchukuo. It needs an extra 650 oil points per day to use its full refining capacity.  Thanks Local Yokel,not what I was hoping to hear but very useful to know.

[erstad]

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

On another subject: no oil surplus in Manchukuo. It needs an extra 650 oil points per day to use its full refining capacity.  Thanks Local Yokel,not what I was hoping to hear but very useful to know.

You do start with a pretty hefty stockpile, over a year's worth, so it doesn't need immediate attention.

[n01487477]

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
On another subject: no oil surplus in Manchukuo. It needs an extra 650 oil points per day to use its full refining capacity. 

Thanks Local Yokel,not what I was hoping to hear but very useful to know.

Yeah but you have around 470 days of Oil Supplies in Manchuria, with some additional Oil in China which might filter across .. If you're concerned about Oil initially, you've got to get a bit to Bangkok as it only has 7 days supply, Cam Ranh Bay has a bit ... but I wouldn't worry too much about this either.

Resources are a reasonable priority, but not overriding either, Korea, Formosa, Occupied China, Sakhalin & Manchuria have some good dumps initially and should extend Japan from 108 days to 150 days - and by then you should have the SRA or game over [;)]

Fuel Produced is a real concern, only Thailand and Manchuria have production out side of Japan initially(both small), but good dumps on some of the Is. so a bit of a round-up might be in order.

Supplies however are my major concern, seen how small the production is in the major countries? For instance, 720 supplies / day Occupied China, 100 Indo-China and Thailand. This isn't enough to drive any offensive / defensive operations for that matter, what with the 20K rule for reinforcements (although not always true)...Japan is going to be an exporter of supplies.

The picture doesn't look much better when you dial in the numbers from potential captures either, so it is going to be an interesting balancing act, and will certainly tone down some offensive operations, industrial development and mindless bombing.

[Tophat1815]

I don't see how as japan you can embark on industrial development.I also don't see how to increase naval shipyards or rush forward naval construction,that is accelerate shipbuilding.

I'm plotting Day#3&4(2 day turns)in a pbem scenario#2 Grand campaign game and its giving me a headache.

[PaxMondo]

imagine how they felt IRL!!!

[n01487477]

There is already almost enough Naval shipyards to do what you need IMO, maybe only need another 100, to have optimum. So Ship construction is a no brainer ... just turn off what you can do without and accelerate what you want.

As for other production issues, it is a long war, take small steps, use Staff or wait for T ... [;)]

[Mynok]

You don't want to be expanding production until you know what your resource/fuel output is going to be anyway.

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


You don't want to be expanding production until you know what your resource/fuel output is going to be anyway.

I came to this conclusion as well,so i have not done anything in that regard. Using the old mark I eyeball to keep tabs on the situation first. Paper and pencil are wonderfully useful things.

I used to have a set script for my WiTp games. I took some very good information from irrelevant(sorry he's not around anymore)and stopped Shinano on the slips. Expanded some naval shipyards and accelerated some Cv's. Stopped Nate production,increased zero production,kate and betty production.

All of that is now out the window! In fact some old habits i am finding hard to put in the past and look at this situation afresh.

But I like this game,in fact i like it a whole lot. It's challenging with years of enjoyment ahead. now back to that sticky supply situation in Malaya.

[Mike Solli]

Lots of places are short oil, resources and or fuel to function at full capacity.  These are daily shortages:
 
Akita:  80 oil
Anshan:  200 fuel
Ayuthia:  300 res
Bangkok:  900 res, 200 oil
Changchun:  1200 res
Chinnampo:  100 fuel
Fukuoka:  190 fuel
Fusan:  200 res
Hamamatsu:  40 fuel
Hankow:  300 res
Harbin:  80 fuel
Heijo:  200 fuel
Hiroshima/Kure:  2700 res, 240 fuel
Iwaki:  100 oil
Keijo:  1800 oil
Kiangtu:  2000 res, 200 fuel
Kobe:  9000 res, 560 fuel
Mukdin:  200 fuel
Mororan:  100 res, 100 fuel
Nagasaki/Sasebo:  300 fuel
Nagoya:  10700 Res, 670 fuel
Nanking:  400 res, 200 oil
Niigata:  360 oil
Osaka/Kyoto:  61900 res, 2000 oil, 2100 fuel
Peiping:  600 res, 40 fuel
Pt. Arthur:  1200 res, 1200 oil
Saigon:  200 res, 40 fuel
Sapporo:  80 fuel
Sendai:  40 fuel
Shanghai:  3800 res, 240 fuel
Shimizu:  40 fuel
Shimonoseki:  1440 oil
Takamatsu:  40 fuel
Takao:  200 res
Tientsin:  600 res, 40 fuel
Tokyo:  82600 res, 1950 oil, 3660 fuel
Tsingtao:  300 res
Wakayama:  500 oil
Wuchang:  300 res
Yamagata:  80 oil
Yokohama/Yokosuka:  9000 res, 1500 oil
 
Overall, the Japanese start with a shortage of 3700 res, 10710 oil and 2445 fuel and a surplus of 24495 supply per day. 
 
Note that my numbers may not be perfect. [:D]

[Mike Solli]

And here are the daily shortages for the SRA:
 
Batavia:  800 res, 80 fuel
Palembang:  1200 oil
Singapore:  1600 res, 140 fuel
Georgetown:  200 res, 20 fuel
Manila:  700 res
Rangoon:  200 res, 2000 oil
 
Overall, the SRA (at 100% capacity) produces a surplus of 16400 res, 3600 oil, 20060 fuel and 2940 supply per day.
 
If Japan takes the SRA and Burma with no damage, here is the final numbers per day:
 
+12,700 res
-7,110 oil
+17,615 fuel
+27,435 supply
 
This means that Japan will most likely never utilize it's refinery capacity in Japan.
 
Also note that this does not take into account any infrastructure taken in China beyond what Japan controls on 7 Dec 41.

[Mynok]

Well that's very interesting. I have not gotten as far as a complete production workup. Guess I was expected fuel to be the major industry shortage, but it is still oil.

So that means Japan has plenty of refinery capacity just no oil to feed into it, right? Or am I reading those numbers wrong?

[Mike Solli]

You got it right, Mynok.

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

If Japan takes the SRA and Burma with no damage

[Mike Solli]

I still expect fuel to be a major problem.  Think of how much will be burned just moving the stuff to where it's needed.

[Mynok]

I agree, but was restricting my thought to just industrial need.

[SireChaos]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
If Japan takes the SRA and Burma with no damage, here is the final numbers per day:

+12,700 res
-7,110 oil
+17,615 fuel
+27,435 supply

This means that Japan will most likely never utilize it's refinery capacity in Japan.

Since Japan will most likely suffer damage to the facilities they take, this means they will most likely not have to expend the supplies to repair some of the refineries they take.

[Gilbert]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I still expect fuel to be a major problem.  Think of how much will be burned just moving the stuff to where it's needed.

Thanks for these useful infos. Would it be possible to base the fleet at Brunei or Tawi-Tawi by expanding port facilities as IJN did it in 1944 ?

Regards

Gilbert

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: SireChaos

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
If Japan takes the SRA and Burma with no damage, here is the final numbers per day:

+12,700 res
-7,110 oil
+17,615 fuel
+27,435 supply

This means that Japan will most likely never utilize it's refinery capacity in Japan.

Since Japan will most likely suffer damage to the facilities they take, this means they will most likely not have to expend the supplies to repair some of the refineries they take.

I don't plan on repairing refineries or resource centers in the SRA, subject to events, of course.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Gilbert

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I still expect fuel to be a major problem.  Think of how much will be burned just moving the stuff to where it's needed.

Thanks for these useful infos. Would it be possible to base the fleet at Brunei or Tawi-Tawi by expanding port facilities as IJN did it in 1944 ?

Regards

Gilbert

I don't plan on expanding Brunei port facilities because that base has only 10 oil facilities. Miri, on the other hand, has 150 oil and 150 refinery, which produces 1350 fuel and 150 supply per day. That port may need to be increased, but we'll see.

I plan on using the bases that are already large to base the fleet. Singapore, Soerabaja, Saigon....

[Gilbert]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Gilbert

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I still expect fuel to be a major problem.  Think of how much will be burned just moving the stuff to where it's needed.

Thanks for these useful infos. Would it be possible to base the fleet at Brunei or Tawi-Tawi by expanding port facilities as IJN did it in 1944 ?

Regards

Gilbert

I don't plan on expanding Brunei port facilities because that base has only 10 oil facilities. Miri, on the other hand, has 150 oil and 150 refinery, which produces 1350 fuel and 150 supply per day. That port may need to be increased, but we'll see.

I plan on using the bases that are already large to base the fleet. Singapore, Soerabaja, Saigon....

I think by doing this ASAP, it will ease the fuel problem (Fuel burned for transport to Main Islands) on one hand and enhance fleet operations on the other hand. Moreover, expanding airfields in the area would be profitable for Search Patrols and LR bombing as well. What say you Honourable War Minister Solli San ? [;)]