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Matti, thanks. You seem to have paid close attention to the criteria I listed. I looked at the second game you mentioned, but their forum is white letters against black background and my eyes cannot take that. I was interested in MechTek and looked at their site and forum and Wiki, but I can't really tell what the gameplay -- I mean, what is like. I mean, what do you mainly DO? It sounds as if it is one on one combat.
Ööh... MechTek? Or MekTek? I didn't mention either [:-]

Anyways I'll give you descriptions of what I did mention. Maybe I'd better start from BattleTech first. At first BattleTech was just tabletop/hex wargame, which models warfare in 31st century on tactical level in land, in sea, in air and in space. Game has all the conventional stuff + various (military) spacecrafts, armored infantry, and over 10 meter tall walking warmachines of mass destruction: BattleMechs. Game evolved over the time and is now at its 5th edition, called Classic BattleTech (earlier version was BattleTech 4th Edition). Many other game systems were made to supplement main BattleTech line (RPG, that can be used with Classic BattleTech, or its earlier editions), and some more independent games, most of them made for computers (such as MechWarrior and MechCommander series) and consoles (MechAssault serie). Computer games based on BattleTech are many: some have official license, some have not, some cost money, some are available for free. Some games are clearly based on BattleTech game system, but otherwise are just enough different to be sold without license (Titans of Steel: Warring Suns, released by Matrix Games).

BTMUX is ... terminal based game. So it works like this: you start TELNET program, connect to server, register, read through instructions, and start playing. There are available game specific client programs, which offer kinda primitive graphical user interface. Anyways game in normal action mode works like this: there is large hex map, you're in control of one unit (you can own multiple units from truck to BattleMech to helicopter, but you can use just one at a time), game progresses in real time, and you and your team need capture and hold strategic locations in map. So you move your unit around, plan strategy with your team, engage enemy... but here's catch: most of the actions you take, need to be typed with keyboard! I'll give you example:
speed 50 - unit starts moving 50 kilometers in hour
heading 270 - unit changes heading to west
lock hc - unit locks on target hc
fire 1 - unit fires weapon #1
It's been at least a year since I played it last time, so I'm not sure did I got those commands right. But it gives you idea about how to play game. Hey, it's not that difficult: I survived my first engagement, which wasn't exactly easy: I had SHD-2H Shadow Hawk, on walk across the bridge, to see what's on other side of the river. Beyond line of sight some Awesome starts firing ERPPCs (Extended Range Particle Projection Cannon). I turn my SHD around, hit top speed, and call help over radio. Slow Awesome gets left behind, but I get fast Jenner on my tail, getting closer. I think what the Hell should I do... I come up with plan. Jenner comes closer, firing Medium Lasers on SHD's weak rear. Then I type serie of commands:
jump 3 0
heading 180
fire 1
fire 2
fire 3
kick

Translation: SHD jumps 3 hexes north, then turns south, Jenner was already past my SHD before it could react. 3 weapons are fired, followed by boot of 55 ton BattleMech (the SHD). After those commands it took me some time to realize that Jenner was destroyed! On my way north, I had passed friendly tank, armed with Gauss Rifle. Maybe it had something to do with destruction of Jenner? Didn't see that tank anymore though... So BTMUX is about like that.

MegaMek is direct computer port of Classic BattleTech. Familiarize yourself with rules of Classic BattleTech before playing. There are some PDF rules available for free.

MekWars is based on MegaMek. Or let's say: MegaMek is part of MekWars. In MekWars player joins to faction to fight against players of other factions. Goal is to conquer planets. When enough of the planet (%s) belongs to one faction or other, it has control of the planet's resources, such as weapon factories. It can be very useful to use enemy facilities to produce their own equipment, and put it in use against them! You can also capture and salvage enemy equipment, but also lose your own same ways.

Any more questions?
You know what they say, don't you? About how us MechWarriors are the modern knights, how warfare has become civilized now that we have to abide by conventions and rules of war. Don't believe it.

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Warhammer Online's servers are going up on September 18 - just announced.

I've pre-ordered so I'll be in Open Beta and the small Head Start before then. 

Anyone else giving it a swing?

OMG OMG OMG OMG [:D]

lol I really really wanted that collectors edition but they sold out all units faster than the Halo 3 ones so.. Doesn't look like they've made any more. Thats what I get for procrastinating...

I'll pre-order even though I'm still enjoying Age of Conan (Don't know what to do about that). Since I'm sure they will wipe all characters after open beta.. that might be a good time to switch my regular copy to wifey if I can find a collectors one.

BTW I thought only the collector's edition gave you guranteed open beta access??

PS. I see that they have extended open beta to all preorder customers given their acknowledgement that all collectors editions are completely sold out. Apparantly this new offer only applies to North Americans however.
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[Why do you people play roleplaying games if you dont want to roleplay? [:D]

I know your being funny but thats the point, they aren't roleplaying games at all. People just try to make them that.

They are MMOs... And like I said about a lot of the other games talked about here.. A true MMO is suppose to have a player-driven economy and so forth.. So many of these games are not MMOs just a really big online game like a COD4 with maybe 10 times more players and a longer running game.

But an MMO that does not make!
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Warhammer Online's servers are going up on September 18 - just announced.

I've pre-ordered so I'll be in Open Beta and the small Head Start before then. 

Anyone else giving it a swing?
I have been waiting for a release date. Very interesting given the fact that it is going to be released just before Wrath of the Lich king over at WOW.
A lot of people are saying the Warhammer online is the game that is finally going to start breaking the stronghold that WOW has on the mmo industry. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Could get real interesting now.
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Thanks, Zak and Matti. Terrifically helpful.
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I know your being funny but thats the point, they aren't roleplaying games at all. People just try to make them that.
Roleplaying is mostly used to enhance the othervice low game experience. But it depends on game, server and guild how it works. It made ultima online much more fun but in wow it didnt really make any difference at all. People in wow rp-pvp server were mostly nice - thats the only difference I saw.
They are MMOs... And like I said about a lot of the other games talked about here.. A true MMO is suppose to have a player-driven economy and so forth.. So many of these games are not MMOs just a really big online game like a COD4 with maybe 10 times more players and a longer running game.

But an MMO that does not make!

Uh uh I waited for player-driver mmos for 8 years - I called them dynamic mmos. MMos that have dynamic player created content. But all the projects either failed one way or another i.e shadowbane was just a joke (you can play it free nowadays). And then came wow with 10 million subscripers and I just pretty much gave up.
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BTW I thought only the collector's edition gave you guranteed open beta access??

PS. I see that they have extended open beta to all preorder customers given their acknowledgement that all collectors editions are completely sold out. Apparantly this new offer only applies to North Americans however.


Yeah, they're opening up the Open Beta download next weekend. Still don't know when the OB is actually gonna start, though. I suspecter the head start will be less than a week before the official September release date. Oh well, open beta will give me a chance to toy around with different 'professions' and try to break the server.
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I just got an invite to Closed Beta  in Warhammer Online.

I'm thinking there's only a couple weeks left before the NDA is lifted & Open Beta begins so keep an eye out for me.
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I just got an invite to Closed Beta  in Warhammer Online.

I'm thinking there's only a couple weeks left before the NDA is lifted & Open Beta begins so keep an eye out for me.

Well I already ordered two copies so they've got my money either way. [:D] Hopefully Open Beta will start next weekend and my wife and I can both start playing...

I apparently didn't make the final closed beta cut.. but I was pretty late to submit my application anyway.

Congrats, you'll have to tell us what its like... <In such a way as to not violate whats left of the NDA>
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Veldor, I don't believe you preordered a MMO.

You will be paying to beta test the thing.
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Veldor, I don't believe you preordered a MMO.

You will be paying to beta test the thing.

I'm assuming your attempting to be humorous here.. MMO's are never finished so looked at that way even a year later its "still in beta". One could say the same thing about virtually every Matrix Game too. For that matter pretty much any PC Game period. For my part the only place where that rule doesn't really apply is console gaming, which in part is why its probably so popular... But there again one of the biggest reasons is the locked down hardware "profile".

From an official stance, the beta is over (both closed and open) in approx 30 days, and Amazon doesn't charge my card until the final non-beta product ships.

The Warhammer MMO has been in production the longest of any MMO ever and is being made by a company with a good track record. Most "leaked" beta reports are also very favorable. Much unlike pretty much all the recent MMOs (Age of Conan, Vanguard, etc.). And given that I personally find plenty to like about both of those, there is really nothing anyone can say that will stop me from trying Warhammer.

Its really about whether your a glass half-empty or glass half-full type. If your looking for something to complain about or some missing content to get all up in arms about... Well I guarantee you'll find it, again like any MMO.
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Well, they're not opening the new Beta3 servers until sometime mid-week so it makes the godawful amount of time downloading the torrent for the game less painful.

I was orginally planning on going Destruction, likely greenskins.&nbsp; 'Cause it just looks fun to be a nasty Orc or Goblin. [8D]
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Veldor, I don't believe you preordered a MMO.

You will be paying to beta test the thing.

I'm assuming your attempting to be humorous here.. MMO's are never finished so looked at that way even a year later its "still in beta". One could say the same thing about virtually every Matrix Game too. For that matter pretty much any PC Game period. For my part the only place where that rule doesn't really apply is console gaming, which in part is why its probably so popular... But there again one of the biggest reasons is the locked down hardware "profile".

From an official stance, the beta is over (both closed and open) in approx 30 days, and Amazon doesn't charge my card until the final non-beta product ships.

The Warhammer MMO has been in production the longest of any MMO ever and is being made by a company with a good track record. Most "leaked" beta reports are also very favorable. Much unlike pretty much all the recent MMOs (Age of Conan, Vanguard, etc.). And given that I personally find plenty to like about both of those, there is really nothing anyone can say that will stop me from trying Warhammer.

Its really about whether your a glass half-empty or glass half-full type. If your looking for something to complain about or some missing content to get all up in arms about... Well I guarantee you'll find it, again like any MMO.

Not being humourous in the least.

It's true MMOs are never finished in that content and patches are added as time goes by, but in the first few months of a MMO tend to be a chaotic mess, with half the content missing or broken and the gameplay a laggy suckfest.

So yeah, if this your idea of a complete game, then I stand corrected, however since the game doesn't do what it says on the tin, most reasonable people would call it 'paying to beta.'

Most MMO players are very optimistic about future games. This optimism has absolutly no basis in reality, and is bordering on the delusional.

Still saying that I would welcome some feedback on WAR.
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I just got an invite to Closed Beta in Warhammer Online.

I'm thinking there's only a couple weeks left before the NDA is lifted & Open Beta begins so keep an eye out for me.

You might want to check your NDA. In the closed betas that I have been in just mentioning that you are in a specific game's closed beta breaks your NDA.
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I wish I had the freetime left for it. Would love to give Warhammer a try.

There is a Warhammer Beta, and I'm in it....
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Wonder why?

Google works I guess.
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You might want to check your NDA. In the closed betas that I have been in just mentioning that you are in a specific game's closed beta breaks your NDA.

Punishable by the death penalty....... [;)]
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