Maximum Football 3.0?

[micvik]

ORIGINAL: Lucas718

Maybe I'm still ticked at the way he disappeared from the board and felt he no longer needed to fix the glaring problems with the game. I could understand it if he was burned out as we were led to believe, but he just went ahead and started working on another football game. That doesn't really support the burnout excuse. Max-FB didn't sell well and I just can't see how David thinks anyone is going to buy this new game.

agreed

[VCFL Commish]

Max-FB is a long running joke in some corners of the web. No matter how good this next game turns out to be, David will never win over the folks who have been mocking this game and David's actions over the past few years.

 
Does anyone remember CFL99 .That was awlfull stats problem never really fixed. Dave left that game on the scrap heap.Then we come to Max football a step up.I followed this game do to the Canadian rules aspect still not perfect but a big jump from CFL99.
 What I am trying to say is each game gets better and better as long as Dave is trying I will be watching lets hope 3rd time is the charm.Don`t want to admit to how old I am now but the way these things take timew I will be probably 50 before the game comes out lol. 

[simmer]

Well put Gary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIX the game we already have!

[local8h]

Holly Cow....

   Whats going on here? I feel for all you ...Its just a game, I bought it and it was a gamble, I enjoyed playing with it when it was just the second patch, at least it was not a disappointing game like that BCFX ( which really suck! ) i hate it so much its in the thrift store now. Ive always think Maxfb will never be fix, and im fine with it, i've shut my mouth when i had a question because David Winter will always seem to be very rude to me, but i sticked to the game, well im tired of the game now.Especially when i gave Madden another chance with Madden 2004 which i bought as a sports package for a $19.00 a few years ago, Wow all the features i wanted was there, I love it so much that i bought all the rest of the Madden Releases. Now Texmod came out....it just went beyond perfect. I cant wait for Madden 2010 which they say be back on PC. Now for Maximum Football 3.0 with same engine and basically same graphics, hmmmm i just dont know.... What i can tell is, it will most likely be available 5 to 6 years from now.....sorry but by that time something will come along better, like Madden or other big company. Why i'm bieng sarcastic or speaking out now, well there are more people that are speaking out now, and i bought Maxfb four years ago..... and wow still basically the same game from when i bought it, just improved, but! it took Four years to be at its level now, Geez man, that's a very long time.... Can you imagine how long Maxfb 3.0 will take to finish....lets see maybe a little if lucky under 5 years for hopefully David gets some help.

anyhow lots of love to all you fellas.....

[regenerator]

ORIGINAL: Yngvai

It's too bad there wasn't a big open source football project that a bunch of people would work on. Just like with Mozilla Firefox or OpenOffice.....you could have OpenFootball or something like that.

You said it man.

How many times do we, as fans and consumers, have to be put through the wringer like this before someone wakes up and realizes what DOES and DOES NOT work? When I think back over the past ten years in the PC Simulation Football Gaming world, it's nothing but dashed hopes and unrealized promise. Division Rivals, FBPro '99, Madden, now MaxFB...

The first thing I thought when learning about David's burnout was that this thing didn't have to die with him. However, even if he hadn't intended on picking up the pieces in his own fashion (which I believe he always did), there's the pervasive attitude in the industry that source code is sacred, and should not be seen by anyone, even when the project it relates to is dead and buried.

So, maybe the only solution is that the game should just start open source in the first place. You've mentioned some great examples there with Open Office and Firefox, some great guides to go by as to how it could be done. This challenge appears to be too great for any individual company to successfully "tackle" and still make the majority of this admittedly niche-market happy. Seems like a different approach is called for. Here's to wishing...

[long_time_fan]

Maybe I am too loyal or blinded by the enjoyment I've received from the game, but I think that Dave went much farther than I ever expected him to go with support.  I hate the way he left us ... and there are elements that mare the game ... but those of us who bought version 1 (which I enjoyed) got version 2 (a complete step up - and something that other people would charge) FOR FREE.  Additionally, a few months ago, we were praising him for his dedication to the game and his desire to work out the kinks.  This is HIS game, and I hope that his overall vision emerges in the next iteration. But those of you who feel that you're owed, I understand the feeling, but I think that this final version is workable - and far better than "complete" games from other companies that I've purchased in the past.  At some point, Dave needs to move from repairing this one to building the next.  Just my opionion.
LTF

[redwolf1]

ORIGINAL: long_time_fan

... but those of us who bought version 1 (which I enjoyed) got version 2 (a complete step up - and something that other people would charge) FOR FREE. 

Wow, I can't disagree more with this. Version 1 was released far too early and was in shambles, relatively speaking. Version 2 being offer for free for version 1 owners was a logical and neccessary compensation. Indeed, what we have now (version 2.2) is more like what should have being released for purchase (as version 1). Many folks stuck around, like me, because David seemed like a dedicated fellow and there was continual improvement of the game along the way. But yes, there is no debating the effort David put into the game for the period that he did. It is really a shame that it is over, and perhaps even more so that he didn't seek the aid additional programing support that was offered along the way.

...and to hear he is going "lone wolf" again doesn't leave me much of an optimist to his future endeavors...

My opinion, but I know many share it too.

[Tullius]

perhaps even more so that he didn't seek the aid additional programing support that was offered along the way.

???

I have never seen any additional programming support. The truth was that nobody was interested in.

[David Winter]

Greetings.
 
It's been a long time, but just wanted to make a really quick post.
 
1. I've begun the developers blog on my main web page. Please see the Development Update on the Version 3.0 section of the main page (www.maximum-football.com). This is the first of what will probably be many updates over the next months.
 
2. Version 3.0 is currently still multiple rules. I am adding features that improve the overall Canadian aspects of the game. Whether or not the game stays multiple rules in one package, or gets split into three distinct products has not been determined yet. Trying to make one game play three games in a balanced way has proven over the years to be an overly challenging task. Tweeking and adjusting something for one rule set, would often throw it out of whack for the others. I have to try and make the game something that can be supported.
 
3. Redwolf1, please check your email. 
 
Thank you
David
 

[Marauders]

1. I've begun the developers blog on my main web page. Please see the Development Update on the Version 3.0 section of the main page (www.maximum-football.com). This is the first of what will probably be many updates over the next months.

Thank you for the update, David.

2. Version 3.0 is currently still multiple rules. I am adding features that improve the overall Canadian aspects of the game. Whether or not the game stays multiple rules in one package, or gets split into three distinct products has not been determined yet.

That's different from the last news update I was given, but it is welcome news.

[busman]

It's been a long time, but just wanted to make a really quick post.

1. I've begun the developers blog on my main web page. Please see the Development Update on the Version 3.0 section of the main page (www.maximum-football.com). This is the first of what will probably be many updates over the next months.

Great news. I'm looking forward to following the progress of 3.0.

[albionmoonlight]

When should we see a demo of version 3.0?  I think that a highly functioning demo will be the best way to start fresh with some of the folks who maybe were frustrated with the pace of development in version 2.

[Marauders]

David is basically working on 3.0 alone.
 
I don't believe the pace for 3.0 will be quicker than it was for 2.0.
 
The only one who can give any information about what the future holds is David.
 

[MjH]

ORIGINAL: albionmoonlight

When should we see ....

And so it begins.... anyone want to start a pool to bet on the date that elmerlee starts his weekly "is it done yet?" posts?

[Tbird]

I hope it stays in one package 

[Mykal]

ORIGINAL: MjH

ORIGINAL: albionmoonlight

When should we see ....

And so it begins.... anyone want to start a pool to bet on the date that elmerlee starts his weekly "is it done yet?" posts?

[;)]

[hack153]

hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!  i forgot about that kid.  [8|][8|][8|] you guys are too funny. [:D][:D][:D]

[albionmoonlight]

I will re-phrase.  I'm not really worried about when we will see a demo.  Sorry for asking the question in that manner.  I wonder:
 
Will there be a demo of version 3.0?

Thanks.

[MjH]

ORIGINAL: albionmoonlight

I will re-phrase.  I'm not really worried about when we will see a demo.  Sorry for asking the question in that manner.  I wonder:

Will there be a demo of version 3.0?

Thanks.

Only David can answer that and I don't know if he frequents this forum anymore, so he probably hasn't seen your question. He has an email address listed on his Maximum Football site, so sending your query there would be your best chance at getting an answer.

[Mrgravyard50]

Any updates?