Russian status after updates to supply / air

[AlvaroSousa]

Neither Hadros or myself have failed to take France even with a big BEF by August at the latest and that was me.

Generally I focus on the French.

Of the Allies build up a strong front to Paris go for the other cities. Blow a hole in their lines. That's what I do. The very basic operation concept of... Attack the enemy where he is not defending.

With Italy entering the war early it should help if they abandon Egypt. Now they have to choose what to protect. I would gladly delay in France to take out Egypt and the oil fields.

[redrum68]

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

There is also a new garrison requirement for Egypt. If they dont have 6 units there Italy can declare war.
Or you can play the Italian option which is like World in Flames.

So if France or UK evacuate North Africa or the Middle East they get penalized

I never had an issue with big BEF.

This is a good start though I would recommend freezing or removing and adding it later the WDF Armor as the British will defend Egypt with 6 divisions and ship the WDF to France.

The other 3 recommendations I would make to weaken a strong defense of France are:
1. Reduce French ground experience from 40% to 35% - this is to counterattack the ability to garrison units and the increase to 3 hex retreat distance
2. Reduce Belgian ground experience from 40% to 35% - this is to make 1 turn capture of Belgium more consistent as when it doesn't fall it delays the Germans a turn or 2
3. Increase the penalty for the Allies capturing Luxemburg as right now its pretty much always worth it and its very unhistorical

[sveint]

France is fine.

The UK might be slightly strong but I don't mind, they have to make huge sacrifices if they want to go all in BEF.

[redrum68]

ORIGINAL: sveint

France is fine.

The UK might be slightly strong but I don't mind, they have to make huge sacrifices if they want to go all in BEF.

Pretty minimal sacrifices. Much rather build a bunch of ground/air units and force Germany to waste as much time and production as possible taking France than buy MM/escorts which Germany crushes with its subs/surface fleet early no matter what. Plus assuming you don't outright lose many British units in France you can use them in North Africa.

[Lascar]

ORIGINAL: redrum68

ORIGINAL: sveint

France is fine.

The UK might be slightly strong but I don't mind, they have to make huge sacrifices if they want to go all in BEF.

Pretty minimal sacrifices. Much rather build a bunch of ground/air units and force Germany to waste as much time and production as possible taking France than buy MM/escorts which Germany crushes with its subs/surface fleet early no matter what. Plus assuming you don't outright lose many British units in France you can use them in North Africa.

I our previous and current game were you able to deploy 11 corps to France without sending a unit from Egypt?

[redrum68]

I our previous and current game were you able to deploy 11 corps to France without sending a unit from Egypt?

I sent the WDF armor to France but my point was even if you make an Egypt garrison requirement you can just replace it with a infantry division so doesn't fully solve the problem.

[Lascar]

ORIGINAL: redrum68

I our previous and current game were you able to deploy 11 corps to France without sending a unit from Egypt?

I sent the WDF armor to France but my point was even if you make an Egypt garrison requirement you can just replace it with a infantry division so doesn't fully solve the problem.

Right, that's what I thought. An 11 corps BEF will still be possible.

[CHINCHIN]

Maybe this could be avoided by removing mines and adding beaches on the east coast of Great Britain, forcing the UK to maintain units to defend those beaches. It would also help to increase the damage of submarines against convoys with few or no escorts.

[AlvaroSousa]

They have to maintain them. They can be paradropped on. Two places can be invaded into. The minefields are there to prevent serious exploit but still require garrisons.... AND they were actually there. The UK minefields are based on real minefields.

[generalfdog]

I get incremental change is needed I do wonder if there is some way to force or encourage a forward or more historical Russian deployment but maybe make them a little better or get a few more units?

[AlvaroSousa]

I thought about doing what CEAW did but WarPlan is more like World in Flames. I have been testing the new retreat and overrun rules. They seem to be working out ok to compensate for the new air rules. Soviets are retreating instead of blowing up. So the losses should be less.

[CHINCHIN]

ORIGINAL: stjeand
The UK has to neglect the BOA to start so...they are basically dumping all into units.

They can have...at least 2 armor and 9 large corps...possible fighter or 2 also.

I have had 2 armor, 2 mech and 7 large corps before...but that was pre air so really need to retest it because more air would be better.

As I said...sveint focused on UK and French fighters...I suspect he put full repair in them.
The Germans lost 220 air...which as you know is upwards of 2000PP to repair. That would be almost 3 months of full PP...and I was repairing them full every turn.
Took France in late September and was only able to build 1 more armor for my war in Russia...so 5 armor and 2 mech for Russia.
War over.
AND I was using supply trucks on my fighters every turn...did not help.

Of course would need to test this more...

But I know I have never lost a big BEF for the Allies...they never get out of France.
One players did...but had lost 4 corps including an armor...that is a LOT to lose...
AND needed to repair all units.

I am applying this to my mod to avoid full UK aid to France.

UK begins the 1939 scenario with:
1 unit of fighters and another of bombers less.
3 corps 5/20 replacing 3 corps 5/30
2 divisions 5/10 replacing 2 corps 5/20
-25PP Resource Pacific Allied

On 2/1/41 +65 PP Allied Pacific Resources (to compensate for initial decrease)
On 4/1/42 -40 PP Resources Pacific Allied (to leave it as the official setting)


as you see?

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: generalfdog

I get incremental change is needed I do wonder if there is some way to force or encourage a forward or more historical Russian deployment but maybe make them a little better or get a few more units?

Few things:
1. If you are not doing a forward defense with USSR, the Germans will DoW USSR early for two reasons:
a) First one is that they can advance in USSR at a very low cost in effectiveness
b) Second one is that they can perform rail repair each turn to bring supply to the frontline

2. If you are not doing a forward defense with USSR, you will not increase your based land experience which is a bad thing at the end because your army will not reinforce with trained troops.


One last thing I am thinking of and that is not currently inside the game is that USSR should fight to save their factories. Cities like Kiev, Kharkov should be kept until a certain date otherwise factories won't go to the Urals.

[stjeand]

Chinchin...be careful weakening the UK too much...
They need to have enough units to fight off Sealion, but NOT so many as to put 8 corps in France without work.

Maybe move some units to the deployment queue mid 40 or something...which will be to late to support the BEF but enough to support the UK.

France...replace something with a calvary...they had them they used them. Not sure why they do not have them in 39 but do in 40.
They should have a unit. Maybe replace 2 divisions...or replace one and have a half str calvary corp.
Could even change their corp to a division. I did not check how many they had.
But adds a little flavor.


ncc...

I for one try to save my factories in Russia...each turn with 5 less PP is a bad turn as well as the manpower loss. But yes IF the factories are overrun before they get away they should not be able too.
BUT I also feel that like Germany the USSR should get bumps in production. Perhaps people work harder as the Germans advance? So if they get to location X by end of 41 they bump...BUT then the German might ignore that location so it needs to be a critical spot.


I was thinking the same for the UK...they were far from ready to fight in 1940...they thought the Germans were going to sit in trenches. Suddenly that was not the case which was why I was thinking they have to garrison the UK with X str of units and X number of units....that would keep them from over powering France. Just have not spent time modding a scenario since no one wants to play them.

I spent weeks on a Pacific one...waste of my time but I learned a lot. Have not even opened WPP in over 6 months.

[CHINCHIN]

I think with the UK changes I mentioned earlier, it forces the UK to focus on defending their island, but they can still send some corps to France.

I like to make Mods, I play them by myself in hotseat, and if someone plays a PBEM, great. In addition, Alvaro can see something interesting about the mod and incorporate it in some way into the official game.

For the USSR at the moment I have this planned:

USSR Begins 1939 scenario with :
+5PP in the Moscow area
New City “Central Asia”: 10 Morale/MP/PP

Evacuated factories => evacuation date => operational date in new location:
Leningrad 5PP=>
Kiev 5PP => 6/20/41 =>
Kalinin 5PP =>
Tula 5PP =>
Kursk 5PP =>
Kharkov 5PP =>
Stalino 5PP =>
Stalingrad 10PP =>
Saratov 5PP
Moscow (first phase) 10PP =>
Moscow (second phase) 10PP =>

I need to calculate the dates of evacuation and installation of the factories.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: CHINCHIN

I like to make Mods, I play them by myself in hotseat, and if someone plays a PBEM, great. In addition, Alvaro can see something interesting about the mod and incorporate it in some way into the official game.

+1 as long as the game is fully supported by its designer, the official scenario is the one to play. I have started a mod myself but I stop it because it will create other balance problems. Better to focus on one scenario, this is already hard enough to find the right balance...

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: CHINCHIN

For the USSR at the moment I have this planned:

USSR Begins 1939 scenario with :
+5PP in the Moscow area
New City “Central Asia”: 10 Morale/MP/PP

Evacuated factories => evacuation date => operational date in new location:
Leningrad 5PP=>
Kiev 5PP => 6/20/41 =>
Kalinin 5PP =>
Tula 5PP =>
Kursk 5PP =>
Kharkov 5PP =>
Stalino 5PP =>
Stalingrad 10PP =>
Saratov 5PP
Moscow (first phase) 10PP =>
Moscow (second phase) 10PP =>

I need to calculate the dates of evacuation and installation of the factories.

That been said, I was more on the idea to:
1. increase PP in Kiev from 5PP to 10PP
2. increase PP in Kharkov from 5PP to 10PP

And perform an event so that USSR is evacuating 5PP to the Urals from Kiev and Kharkov leaving always 5PP.
The problem is to find the correct date.

Because if Germany starts Barbarossa in April 1941, August 1941 is much too far away.
I did not find a condition date in the event code yet.

[ncc1701e]

@Alvaro, by the way, is there a condition in the event code to know if one country is at war with another?

[stjeand]

ncc

Yes but not that simple...

For example...

if_Country=4
if_Alliance=Allies

That proves that the USSR is at war and part of the Allies.

if_Alliance=Neutral would mean they are at peace.

And of course there is Axis.

[ncc1701e]

Thanks, in fact, I can't see how to trigger an event by flag few turns after.

For example, USSR at war is flag=1

Then, if_Flag=1 and if_Date=??? to fire the event 4 game turns after flag=1 has fired.