new wargame "War across the Pacific 1941-1945"

[ilovestrategy]

I'm not really worried about the graphics, I go for gameplay. I'm currently playing Grigsby's World at War and those graphics are plenty enough for me. If sacrificing the graphics for a good wargame will lower the price for a financially challenged person like me then I'm all for simple graphics. Rome total war with it's fancy graphics is $50 at my local best buy, Gigsby's WaW is $40. Guess what this poor person bought. Heck, even a detailed game like Hearts of Iron II is only $40 also. I'm too poor for Witp though [:(]

[Bombur]

-Actually you will save money with WiTP. The game is so addictive that you won´t buy a new game for months.....

[ravinhood]

-Actually you will save money with WiTP. The game is so addictive that you won´t buy a new game for months

I don't think it's the fact that it's so addictive as much as I think it's the fact it would take a YEAR for me to play out on game. heh I don't like monster games that take months to years to finish one game.

And to the above above poster if you check out ebay you can find all those games you mentioned for near half those prices or less. RTW is around $20ish dollars now, Hearts of Iron 2 also. Check out Amazon.com too for reduced "used" pricing. It's a waste of cash now to buy retail/retail for most games. They are on ebay in a matter of weeks to a couple of months for 1/2 price. "Imperial Glory" sold for a whopping $5.91 on one auction. And I picked up "Railroad Tycoon III, Locomotion, and Warlords IV" all under $10 total from there. Last year got "Eric Youngs Squad Assault" for .99 cents. "Used" is the way to buy games nowadays, they have so little depth and play value anymore people are just unloading them so they can buy what they think is the next greatest game fix, that most often turns out to be just like the last. lol

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood


I don't think it's the fact that it's so addictive as much as I think it's the fact it would take a YEAR for me to play out on game. heh I don't like monster games that take months to years to finish one game.

First time I have heard that a Wargame has to much depth [8|]

And to the above above poster if you check out ebay you can find all those games you mentioned for near half those prices or less. RTW is around $20ish dollars now, Hearts of Iron 2 also. Check out Amazon.com too for reduced "used" pricing. It's a waste of cash now to buy retail/retail for most games. They are on ebay in a matter of weeks to a couple of months for 1/2 price. "Imperial Glory" sold for a whopping $5.91 on one auction. And I picked up "Railroad Tycoon III, Locomotion, and Warlords IV" all under $10 total from there. Last year got "Eric Youngs Squad Assault" for .99 cents. "Used" is the way to buy games nowadays, they have so little depth and play value anymore people are just unloading them so they can buy what they think is the next greatest game fix, that most often turns out to be just like the last. lol

I pefure not to by pirate software on Ebay. I don't buy a lot of games, maybe 4 a year. But when I do I reward the developer and publisher. Not some lame a$$ making a profit off someone else hard work. Hell yes their going for 5-10 bucks, why not its all profit to the pirate.

And yes we all have read your position on this issue many times over [>:]

[andy11]

http://gry.gery.pl/main.php?ID=newsy&N=2586

[ravinhood]

I pefure not to by pirate software on Ebay. I don't buy a lot of games, maybe 4 a year. But when I do I reward the developer and publisher. Not some lame a$$ making a profit off someone else hard work. Hell yes their going for 5-10 bucks, why not its all profit to the pirate.

Sorry bud, but, this is where you don't know what you are talking about. These games come with a box, english manual, cds and cd keys. These are not your CD only from overseas type games. They are "used" games that people found the games sorry or played them and just like with video console games unload them for a reduced price so they can buy something else. I just happen to capitalize on "used" games and these people who want to unload them dirt cheap. If they don't come with a box/manual then I don't buy them from ebay. Just because I save money and you don't doesn't make me a pirate, though I could all too easily just jump on that train as well. There is nothing wrong with buying "used merchandise", there are book stores full of used books, I guess those bought are pirated as well eh? And I guess just "renting" a console game instead of buying it is piracy as well, yes, I would think so, that's not supporting the publisher or developer either is it? What a rediculous notion. Grow up.

[andy11]

http://gry.wp.pl/core.html?filtr=1,0&x= ... %2FVvrZ%2F

[bradclark1]

I assume it's in Polish but thats all I got out of it.

[ilovestrategy]

What language was that?

[Hanal]

Unfortunately Andy11 just spams this site here and elsewhere and provides nothing else except the occasional and lame "Check this out!", so you will not get any information out of him....[8|]

[ilovestrategy]

I don't know, I haven't played WiTP due to lack of finances but I can tell the people on the WiTP forum are pretty smart cookies and I can't see all of them enjoying a game that is as dissapointing as the beginning of this post made it out to be. In that case I would have to give WiTP some credit for being a good game. And NO game is perfect.

[Dunhill_BKK]

I thought I'd add my two bits to this resurrected post.

How many of us, and by us I mean the set of folks who fit the term grognard, have purchased games they've never played. I am one of the folks who purchased Campaign for North Africa, just for the fact that it was hyped as such a detailed, huge game. Understand I was only about 10-13 at the time, but I reckon I've purchased WITP for the same reason. I am looking for a level of detail that I find interesting and challenging. Its just an aspect of games that I find fascinating.

I also appreciate abstract games, such as abalone, go and puzzle games like tantrix. There is something to be said to visual and tactile appeal of a game. Games can be art objects. I think this is where the table-top folks come on board.

The situation with computer games is somewhat different, in that the tactile expeience is limited. However, the difference between an ASCII chess game and Chessmaster 9000 is easy to grasp. Additionally, there is the room for artisitic license with data and graphic representation within games. Making your own counters was possible in ASL, but how many of us actually did that? We surely modified the rules to fit our needs. This is the modder, and the rise of VASSAL is a good example of a modding community.

Game developers that allow a certain level of player modification are enhancing thier product. However, from my interactions with the flight sim communitty I also understand that there are limitations to the interaction bewteen artists, game programmers and grognard/historians.

In my opinion, those games that maintain a good sense of scope with respect to bringing all the aspects of a computer game togethor produce economically viable games. If that is the measure of a game's success. In the case of WITP the graphic interface wasn't as important as the level of detail in the number and composition of game's engine/rule-set.

One of my favourites, the Total War series, blends games of differnt scopes. You get an interesting strategic game coupled with a very fun tactical game (which you dont have to play). It was also open to modding by the communitty, which has lead to some very interesting differences of opinions between modding factions.

So, I guess I'm just trying to say that its horses for courses. Some games will always appeal to a limited set of folks. While others will attract a much wider set of interested players. There are a number of reasons why this happens. Enjoy the difference.

Sorry if I sound a bit patronising, I just got on a bit of a roll. I'm sure the rest of you grognards know all this anyway.

Cheers,

[andy11]

http://www.gameranking.pl/start.gr?go=o ... 438&&pla=1

[Hanal]

This thread will never die with spamming Andy hanging around...........[8|]

[Terminus]

He's polluting the WitP forum as well...

[Hanal]

I complained about him at the Wargamer forum and he managed to have my post removed.....this clown obviously has a financial interest in this game but yet he never contributes with anything other then reposting the link, which is what annoys me the most....

[Terminus]

I've put him on my Ignore list; that's pretty much all we can do, it seems...

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: andy11

http://www.gameranking.pl/start.gr?go=o ... 438&&pla=1

Okay Andy, it´s pretty easy. If you don´t stop spamming threads we will simply ban you. Please contribute in a normal way to this forum.

Repetitive posting of one and the same link is not a contribution.

[Terminus]

I think he's warranted banning for a while now, but that's not my call, obviously...

[ilovestrategy]

I agree with Terminus, all he has ever done is spam.