Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[mikmykWS]

Added all request since last post. Added info on Mig-23-98 to existing item

Thanks!

M

[hellfish6]

For confirmation, there weren't any DB updates in the last beta, correct?

[mikmykWS]

No. We're working on something else that involves a substantial delta to the db schema. Perhaps next beta release depending on how things land.

Mike

[FlyingBear]

The Greek AB.212 ASW helicopters cannot be used on the Elli class frigates in the database. They are IRL: http://www.hellas.org/military/navy/images/kont-2.jpg

[NickD]

ORIGINAL: deagu

or 2 CH-53, 2 UH-1Y, 2 AH-1 and 1 MV-22. http://blogs.militarytimes.com/scoopdec ... osprey-too

Are you sure that that's an operational load? That doesn't look practical for carrying aircraft for anything but a short time, and would seriously impede actual operations (arming the Cobras or loading troops onto the other helicopters and V-22 would be pretty slow, and possibly dangerous)

[deagu]

Hi Nick. I think it depends on the operation. I don't think it would deploy with such a load within an ARG. But operating alone to fulfill a special task it is able to load such a number of aircraft. Maybe not in a month long deployment but for a short time it seems possible. I think it is a matter of flexibility.

[Vici Supreme]

Hey there!

Is it possible to make the CMANO engine able to counter-engage small rockets or mortar shells (those little red blobs) with C-RAM systems? I'm excited about those things but do not see the point of adding them as air defense ONLY due to their limited range. I doubt so but wanted to check this for sure.

Regards

[falcon2006]

Hi, everybody, as i'm from China, and i'm a military fan, i notice some setting issues of Chinese platfroms and weapons, i don't know whether you friends could fix it.
1.the seeker of Chinese HHQ-9A,B/HQ-9 is an active radar seeker instead of semi one, its seeker and specification is more close to a PAC-3(though HQ-9 can not attack targets in orbit) than SA-10.
2.there exists a mistaken radar setting in Chinese fighter's radar types and also ranges, here is some that i consider is the top priority:
a.KLJ-3 radar is not copy of russian equivalent, instead, it is a copy and variant of Israel's EL/M2032, and the range is, according to official release, over 140KM, the same problem is also in J-10's passive sensor settings;
b. the AESA of J-10B, though the type is OK, the range is still incorrect,maybe you friends could reffer to israel's AESA's range(because China has much communication in such techs with israel);
c. the range problem exists in JL-10A and other chinese airbone tactic radars.
3.KJ-2000 AEW, though has a same platform with A-50, is equipped with a totally diffrent AEW system,:
1)it's radar is made of 3 AESAs(together form a tri-angle), the type is close to Phalcon, but more advanced(you can set as late 2000s) and has a larger range of detection and tracting.
2)KJ-2000 has a surface detection radar whitch is more close to that on USAAF E-8 A/C,the range may be shorter than the USAAF
3)KJ-2000 also has a strong commin ability,but this is not very important
4.for JH-7A, what you friends have done were magnificient, yet there is sth need to correct that it does not have two OECM pods, on the other hand, it carries 2 DECM pods similar to Israel's ELL-8212/22
5.346 series radar on a PLAN ship is actually not PESA but AESA, and it has a larger range.
Anyway, you friends really make a miracle(i hardly find any words to describe), i never find any more military game realistic than this, i wish you friends make more progress
any reply could send to my e-mail:falcon2006@yeah.net, THKS

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Hey there!

Is it possible to make the CMANO engine able to counter-engage small rockets or mortar shells (those little red blobs) with C-RAM systems? I'm excited about those things but do not see the point of adding them as air defense ONLY due to their limited range. I doubt so but wanted to check this for sure.

Regards

Thanks for answering my question so fast...

[Broncepulido]

Radar 997 Artisan 3D, from 2011 replacing Radar 996 (AWS-9) and others in some large UK units (at current times I think in the database is only employed by some Type 23 Duke variants).
Is a SS and HF/3D radar, my estimates are range=108 nm, PH=65.
At least employed by:
CV Queen Elizabeth-class (I0C 2016?).
LPD Albion-class from 2011.
LPH Ocean from 2012?.
Some FFG Type 23 CUP from 2013, first ship equipped HMS Iron Duke.

http://www.baesystems.com/enhancedartic ... r-type-997

[MR_BURNS2]

#2232 - T-50 PAK-FA -- Russia [1992-] (Air Force), 2015

A/A: AA-13 Arrow [R-37M], Internal Only (Air Superiority, BVR) can hardly be internal only since missiles are probably too big (?)

They can carry them externally and retain internal loadout

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA#Armament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4MXQ0EibFs


Wikipedia also suggests R-37M (and R-73/77) are integrated into MIG-31BM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Mi ... 8MiG-31.29

[poaw]

Is there a chance to add aerial refueling to the E-2D?

http://www.naval-technology.com/news/ne ... ng-4362058

[falcon2006]

Hi, i'm from China, and i just don't know how to make the manufacture know my proposal, you know that i'm familar with Chinese platforms' specifications(haha, i mean basic specification, no confidential),so i want to make those chinese platforms in this game correct, do you have any suggestions? Thks

[Broncepulido]

Welcome on board Falcon2006!
The basic idea is to post our requests or notes about military platforms and systems on this forum trend.
The requests are considered by the "bona fide" developers (not "the manufacturer" in "strictu sensu"), who are longtime (years!) members of the many communities developing these type of games (i.e., contemporary or XX century air and naval combat), and after consideration, our requests are incorporated by the guys developing the databases on the own databases.

In short: Falcon2006, write here your requests about Chinese (or other) platforms, sensors, installations or weapons systems, or any notes and comments relative to the database or the correspondent systems on the real wordl.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: falcon2006

Hi, i'm from China, and i just don't know how to make the manufacture know my proposal, you know that i'm familar with Chinese platforms' specifications(haha, i mean basic specification, no confidential),so i want to make those chinese platforms in this game correct, do you have any suggestions? Thks

Welcome Falcon. I'm one of the developers and this is correct forum to post requests for Command updates.

If you want adds just post the to the DB2000 (modern DB) or CWDB (threads). We usually like pictures or links to information supporting your request. We do have a long list to implement but do regularly.

Thanks!

Mike

[Vici Supreme]

Hello

Does the size of targets, in this case a City Marker, affect ballistic missile's possibility to hit an object?
Tried to hit anything with the North Korean Taepodong-2 (and any other NK long range missile in the DB) but all missiles missed by several hundreds of meters without inflicting a minimum of damage. This doesn't make much sence when missing a city like Tokyo or Seoul by 195 meter. The measurements of the city marker is 5m x 5m by the way.

[Luidzi]

I want to make a suggestion to better implement a DAVIDE (or STRALES) system used on the D 553 Andrea Doria. Current implementation looks and behaves like a standard Super Rapido gun (just with an increased air PK) and doesn't reflect the nature of DART guided projectile. I thought about two possibilities:

1) Simple, which would include
a) Decreased CEP of DART shells, which would reflect the increased precision of guided ammunition.
b) Increasing actual PK against missiles by making DART shells capable vs. seaskimmer and possibly increasing air range (stated values are 3-5 km against air targets).
c) Simulation of a dual feed system by splitting the ammo magazine in half - one for DART shells, the other one for standard HE rounds.

2) Realistic
a) Make DART shells either command guided with a datalink to its parent ship, or semi-active guided by an on-mount fire control radar.
b) Finding or estimating all parameters of the above.
c) Dual feed system as in the first possibility.

The first choice would not reflect the actual parameters of the system and ammunition, but it would be simple to create and its parameters would be closer to the actual values and behavior anyway. The second one sticks to realism, but it would require a substantial rework of the whole weapon system and even more time for finding parameters and their testing. Personally, my first choice would obviously be the second one, but, given this not being a cricital issue, I would in the end choose a simpler fix and use saved time for more important work.

[snowburn]

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Hello

Does the size of targets, in this case a City Marker, affect ballistic missile's possibility to hit an object?
Tried to hit anything with the North Korean Taepodong-2 (and any other NK long range missile in the DB) but all missiles missed by several hundreds of meters without inflicting a minimum of damage. This doesn't make much sence when missing a city like Tokyo or Seoul by 195 meter. The measurements of the city marker is 5m x 5m by the way.

i've the same problem (SCUDs vs Cities)

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Hello

Does the size of targets, in this case a City Marker, affect ballistic missile's possibility to hit an object?
Tried to hit anything with the North Korean Taepodong-2 (and any other NK long range missile in the DB) but all missiles missed by several hundreds of meters without inflicting a minimum of damage. This doesn't make much sence when missing a city like Tokyo or Seoul by 195 meter. The measurements of the city marker is 5m x 5m by the way.

Yeah the unit is just a marker so no meant to be a target. Lots of scenario designers have already implemented those in their build so not sure we should change at this point.

For now just add a building or something similar which can be easily hit.

Thanks!

Mike

[hellfish6]

A-222 Bereg Coastal Artillery System?

Only one unit in service with the Russian Black Sea Fleet, but there is potential for more.

Uses a naval AK-130 gun on an 8x8 chassis, with a fire control van and a radar van and up to six guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_mm_coa ... _gun_A-222

The central post is designed to control battery fire. The fire control system includes a radar, TV/optical station with laser rangefinder, surveillance and target detection/designation sight, digital computer providing firing data, battle damage recording equipment, target simulation system for crew training, life-support and power supply systems, and auxiliary equipment. The Bereg-E's fire control system provides calculation of firing data for four targets and simultaneous engagement of two targets in passive and active counter-measures environment.

http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Eng/Other/Bereg_e.html

Can't seem to find the associated radar system. Naval Institute implies it's a truck-based AK-130 system entirely, and the radar (35km range) and associated optical targeting system (with a 270 degree FOV) are the same you'd find on a ship.
http://tinyurl.com/USNI-Naval-Weapons

COASTAL DEFENSE AND THE BEREG 130mm ARTILLERY SYSTEM

The coastal defense of any state that has sea borders plays a key role in the armed forces. Modern coastal warfare primarily requires the development of mobile coastal artillery systems since they ensure the defense of large areas and can move undetected to combat positions in various regions.

At present, coastal defense troops of some countries are armed with mobile missile systems such as Rubezh and Redut (Russia), RBS 15 (Sweden), Sea Skua (Great Britain), Exocet (France), SSI (Japan), and Harpoon (USA). All coastal defense missile systems feature one common drawback, namely a dead zone from 25 (Rubezh) to 7 km (Redut) and their low efficiency against small-size mobile sea targets, including small landing ships, air-cushioned vessels, ekranoplans, etc. Consequently, coastal defense missile systems are unable to defend coastal zones alone.

he coastal defense of any state that has sea borders plays a key role in the armed forces. Modern coastal warfare primarily requires the development of mobile coastal artillery systems since they ensure the defense of large areas and can move undetected to combat positions in various regions.

At present, coastal defense troops of some countries are armed with mobile missile systems such as Rubezh and Redut (Russia), RBS 15 (Sweden), Sea Skua (Great Britain), Exocet (France), SSI (Japan), and Harpoon (USA). All coastal defense missile systems feature one common drawback, namely a dead zone from 25 (Rubezh) to 7 km (Redut) and their low efficiency against small-size mobile sea targets, including small landing ships, air-cushioned vessels, ekranoplans, etc. Consequently, coastal defense missile systems are unable to defend coastal zones alone.

The Bereg coastal defense self-propelled artillery system incorporates the Podacha mobile artillery fire control system, which is the first such system to use the principle of gunnery without using the sights of the individual guns. The Podacha system ensures complete independent polarization scanning in receive/transmit mode that avoids barrage jamming via a polarization adaptation method, including the cases where the jammer is located on the tracked target and the recognition of targets is made according to the polarization "portrait." The Podacha system can also perform the task of precise target tracking in the "passing" under the angle deception jamming conditions. Meanwhile, the Podacha system tracks up to four targets and engages two of them simultaneously using six gun mounts.

The fire control system is comprised of a radar, TV-optical post with a laser range finder, sighting device for target observation and designation, digital computer to prepare data for firing, devices to record firing procedures, and target simulation system intended for personnel training and practice firing.

In addition, any SP gun can deliver fire independently using its own optical electromechanical sight, commander's vision device, ballistic computer and laser range finder.

The Bereg coastal defense self-propelled artillery system can be deployed at prepared or unprepared firing positions in terms of engineer organization and survey. To enhance the combat survivability and concealment of the system, the dispersal of its combat vehicles may reach 1,000 meters, and the difference in height of gun emplacements can reach up to 300 meters. The coastal defense self-propelled artillery system can perform missions at any time of the day and year in active and passive jamming environments.

The combat duty support vehicle's diesel-generator supplies the central combat station with electric power during extended combat duty at the firing position. In addition, all vehicles of the coastal defense self-propelled artillery system have self-contained auxiliary power units. The combat duty support vehicle has compartments to store fuel, food and water reserves, as well as facilities for cooking and serving meals, and for personnel's rest. Medical aid can also be provided to the personnel.

All this allows a battery to maintain constant combat readiness for seven days. All vehicles of the coastal self-propelled artillery system are mounted on one type of chassis featuring a high cross-country capacity and 8x8 wheel arrangement. The high cross-country capacity, night vision devices and navigation aids installed at the central combat station allows the artillery unit to take up new firing positions quickly and move in dispersed formations to new areas. The use of the wheeled chassis has made it possible to increase fuel distance 1.7 times and has given a threefold increase in the guaranteed mileage compared to tracked vehicles.

At customer's request Bereg can be upgraded as follows:

- a 127mm caliber gun firing and fixed rounds of the customer can be installed;

- artillery fire can be delivered by the self-propelled artillery system and independent self-propelled artillery guns against sea and ground targets using homing rounds via laser illumination;

- jam-immune radio channel to exchange telecoded information between separate vehicles can be introduced;

- air defense capability is envisaged;

- level of mechanization and automation of operation during deployment and tie-in of the system's vehicles can be raised and deployment times shortened.

Maneuverability, high fire efficiency and complete autonomy of the coastal Bereg defense self-propelled artillery system make it a reliable weapon system to defend coastal areas, strait zones and skerries

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... ost2190564