Future Plans w/ AGEOD

[Skeleton]

Not that I have even scratched the surface of AACW, but does Matrix have an agreement going forward to publish AGEOD's forth coming Napoleonic Campaign game? I enjoy seeing two first-rate companies working together and being able to support both at the same time. Thanks for any insight you can provide.

[Skeleton]

Would that be none???

[cdbeck]

I would guess it is too early to tell on this. AGEOD used Matrix as its US distributor and publisher (although they also self-distributed using their online store) for AACW, but for the EU they used Ascaron. I believe AGEOD funds its own development, giving it a bit more freedom to choose outlets later in the development cycle. I am not sure about the specifics of the deals that brought BoA and AACW here, but BoA started by being published by Strategy First and then came later to Matrix, so sometimes these things happen by surprise.

That being said, Phillipe Thibaut is pretty active on Wargamer.com, as is the other Phillipe (Malacher, who I believe goes by Pocus). Sometimes they appear here, and the relations are visibly good. I see no reason, outside of AGEOD deciding to self-distribute, but as an EU based company this might be hard to do in the US) that they wouldn't come back to Matrix to distribute.

The silence on the matter indicates to me that the final deals have not been struck and typically it is a matter of professional courtesy to not publically discuss such deals (like on a forum) before they are finalized. I would be suprised if Napoleonic Campaigns did not show up here, but with Empire in Arms and John Tiller's Nappy game, they may not want to.

Just idle speculation... I would guess you are not going to get an answer, as it is a similar type question to asking how much profit they get from certain games...

SoM

[Erik Rutins]

That's correct, it's just not something we can discuss at this point.

[Skeleton]

I don't see how it is like asking about profits a company makes on games period, or inquiring about the fiscal health of a compnay or anything quite that vulgar and ignorant. What I asked was in no way a breech of what is and is not professional in any business climate. If you carefully re-read my post, what I asked was, "does" Matrix have a deal going forward, and a simple no would be more then sufficient. I thank you for the education and the lengthy discourse on what is "professional" and proper to ask and shall keep that in mind for future questions "like on a forum". Just the same, thank you for the information.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Marcus the leper

I don't see how it is like asking about profits a company makes on games period, or inquiring about the fiscal health of a compnay or anything quite that vulgar and ignorant. What I asked was in no way a breech of what is and is not professional in any business climate. If you carefully re-read my post, what I asked was, "does" Matrix have a deal going forward, and a simple no would be more then sufficient. I thank you for the education and the lengthy discourse on what is "professional" and proper to ask and shall keep that in mind for future questions "like on a forum". Just the same, thank you for the information.

Marcus, as a former manager of Tech Support at a software company. You are asking for a "yes or a no". Whatever the the answer is has value. That is why many companies have a policy of not commenting on such things.

[Skeleton]

Gotcha. Although, as a consumer, it has little or no value to me other then being an answer. In the business world I come from, we just respond to honest questions with honest answers. Especially when those questions come from a customer. I realize it is a crazy concept and it does lack a certain air of sophistication, but more often then not, I have found it works well. Again, notes taken, lessons learned and I thank you. For what it is worth, Erik's response was more then polite and more then enough. The side notes and lectures of others, I could do without.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Marcus the leper

Gotcha. Although, as a consumer, it has little or no value to me other then being an answer. In the business world I come from, we just respond to honest questions with honest answers. Especially when those questions come from a customer. I realize it is a crazy concept and it does lack a certain air of sophistication, but more often then not, I have found it works well. Again, notes taken, lessons learned and I thank you. For what it is worth, Erik's response was more then polite and more then enough. The side notes and lectures of others, I could do without.

I did not mean to offend you at all. Please accept my apology.

[Zap]

I'm sure SOM meant no disrespect. How could he possibly know how much information you wanted?

[Zap]

[quote]ORIGINAL: Son_of_Montfort


question to asking how much profit they get from certain games...

SoM

I would like to see how many games are sold. I noticed on the GMT sight they have no problem telling people how many boardgames have been ordered (sold). It seems to be something their proud of over at GMT games?

[cdbeck]

Umm... Marcus... maybe you should read my post before going off on a tirade...

I didn't lecture you at all. I told you my views on past deals with AGEOD. Then I mention that deals with distributors often are secret until finalized (how is this lecturing you)?

Then I mention that Matrix has a policy of not answering business related questions and noted that I was just idlely speculating, to let you know I had absolutely no insider knowledge.

Sheesh... I got to remember to NOT answer people's empty posts. Try to have a conversation and get lambasted.

Over and out...[8|]

(Hey Zap, what is that quote there, that last part is not me)

SoM

[Skeleton]

Son of Montfort & Flipperwash, I am the one who owes you both an apology. I apologize for my thin skin. My mis-directed anger was just that, mis-directed and ill advised. This forum has never been anything less then helpful and insightful. I thank both of you for the information and hope you accept my sincere words.

[Hanal]

When you think about it, what's the big deal to know this answer now? It is not as if some decision by the consumer needs to be made beforehand since the game is not even released yet. The simpliest way to find out this answer is keep an eye on the Matrix and Ageod websites and wait.

[cdbeck]

It is all good Marcus, just wanted you to know that I was trying to talk to you not at you! [:'(]

SoM

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Marcus the leper

Son of Montfort & Flipperwash, I am the one who owes you both an apology. I apologize for my thin skin. My mis-directed anger was just that, mis-directed and ill advised. This forum has never been anything less then helpful and insightful. I thank both of you for the information and hope you accept my sincere words.

Marcus,

As far I am concerned there is no problem and never was. Have a nice day.

[Zap]

ORIGINAL: Son_of_Montfort

Umm... Marcus... maybe you should read my post before going off on a tirade...

I didn't lecture you at all. I told you my views on past deals with AGEOD. Then I mention that deals with distributors often are secret until finalized (how is this lecturing you)?

Then I mention that Matrix has a policy of not answering business related questions and noted that I was just idlely speculating, to let you know I had absolutely no insider knowledge.

Sheesh... I got to remember to NOT answer people's empty posts. Try to have a conversation and get lambasted.

Over and out...[8|]

(Hey Zap, what is that quote there, that last part is not me)

SoM

SOM, I mistakenly entered my words in your quote.

[Gibbon]

Well, I asked the same question elsewhere in the forum and unsurprisingly I got the same answer. Same thing on the AGEod forum.

IMHO, the AGEod guys are among the most secretive guys in the trade. Everybody was waiting for their Victoria-like "Vainglory of Nations" and during the summer they announce a Napoleon game for a release in November. I'm no expert but develomemnt time wise I would say they must have been working on it for monthes without hints to anyone.

Samething for Matrix guys, so if these two companies are working together I don't think we'll ever know before they decide to let us so!!!! [:D]

[ravinhood]

If I'm not mistaken Matrixgames is just an outlet for AGEOD's game(s), in other words a place to buy from, but, Matrixgames has no input on the development of AGEOD's games...Isn't that correct Erik?

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
If I'm not mistaken Matrixgames is just an outlet for AGEOD's game(s), in other words a place to buy from, but, Matrixgames has no input on the development of AGEOD's games...Isn't that correct Erik?

That's correct - we're fans of their games and back when there was just Birth of America not that many folks were aware of them, so we decided to open discussions on whether they'd be interested in reaching all our customers through a secondary Matrix release. The rest you know...

Regards,

- Erik

[ravinhood]

I wonder why Mad Minute doesn't make some agreement with you (Matrixgames) to do the same? They really need some help and a better avenue of delivery to wargamers. I feel they are getting the treatment of games like SACRIFICE that was an excellent real time game as well that got little to no hype or advertising and got lost to the wind. One of them I've read does strike me as sort of above himself at times. When others suggested Matrixgames to them they acted like Matrixgames was some sore and not enough clout for what they wanted. Yet, they haven't got anything from Activision or Paradox in the way of support or advertising that I've seen. Sometimes you have to start at the bottom to get ahead, but, some people want to start at the top and well you see what happens when you have that kind of attitude.