Downfall - probably mine.
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Downfall - probably mine.
This is Andy Mac's Downfall senario and postulates the failure of Tube Alloys and Manhattan and the Russinas sitting tight, thank you very much. It's not a whole map scenario, but runs from LA in the SE corner to Java in the SW, Rangoon in the NW and Butte in the NE. Most of the DEI, China and Burma is blanked out. French Indo-China and Thailand are worth nothing in points, this scenario is all about The Big One, the invasion of Japan.
This scenario is all about the correct application of overwhelming force, 18 US CVs at Guam, 6 RN at Peleliu, 39 CVEs at Manila and another 10 or so at Pearl. And that's without the reinforcements.
Anyway, I do have a plan. The Commonwealth forces will be used to retake Hong Kong, but they will need to beg some transports off the US. The US army forces at Manila will take Formosa and Pescatores. The 6 marine divs, 3 each at Manila and Pearl, will prep for the invasion of Japan, probably Kumamoto. In the meantime the bombers will pummel the cities, ports and airfields.
But I need recon, lots and lots of recon. The thing with scenarios, as opposed to the GC, is that you have no idea where the other side's forces are (unless you take a peek). So it's snap, snap, grin, grin, wink, wink, nudge, nudge for a while.
This scenario is all about the correct application of overwhelming force, 18 US CVs at Guam, 6 RN at Peleliu, 39 CVEs at Manila and another 10 or so at Pearl. And that's without the reinforcements.
Anyway, I do have a plan. The Commonwealth forces will be used to retake Hong Kong, but they will need to beg some transports off the US. The US army forces at Manila will take Formosa and Pescatores. The 6 marine divs, 3 each at Manila and Pearl, will prep for the invasion of Japan, probably Kumamoto. In the meantime the bombers will pummel the cities, ports and airfields.
But I need recon, lots and lots of recon. The thing with scenarios, as opposed to the GC, is that you have no idea where the other side's forces are (unless you take a peek). So it's snap, snap, grin, grin, wink, wink, nudge, nudge for a while.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Sep 3rd 1945. Air losses so far:
I've been concentrating on neutralising Tajao, 4 USA divs are currently en route supported by 11 BBs. Our first bombardment of Takao yielded this result:
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 8 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-36 Ida: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M2a Betty: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 4 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-15-II Babs: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied Ships
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Louisville
CA Chester
CA Indianapolis
CA Portland
CL Trenton
CL Detroit
CL Raleigh
CL Richmond
Japanese ground losses:
1618 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 69 destroyed, 119 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 44 (15 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (6 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 754
Recon revelas nearly 300 fighters at Tokyo, the bombing campaign is going to be very bloody.

I've been concentrating on neutralising Tajao, 4 USA divs are currently en route supported by 11 BBs. Our first bombardment of Takao yielded this result:
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 8 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-36 Ida: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M2a Betty: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 4 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-15-II Babs: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied Ships
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Louisville
CA Chester
CA Indianapolis
CA Portland
CL Trenton
CL Detroit
CL Raleigh
CL Richmond
Japanese ground losses:
1618 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 69 destroyed, 119 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 44 (15 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (6 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 754
Recon revelas nearly 300 fighters at Tokyo, the bombing campaign is going to be very bloody.

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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
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RE: Downfall - probably mine.
11 BB's.....[:D][:D]
You are going to need a traffic control vessel. The shells will be committing fratercide on the way into the target.
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Sounds like fun.
You are going to need a traffic control vessel. The shells will be committing fratercide on the way into the target.
Runway hits 754
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Sounds like fun.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Bloody is not the word I am getting out the popcorn to watch how the Ai does in this one
RE: Downfall - probably mine.
This is what we know about Tokyo so far:


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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
The bombers switch to ground attack at Takao as the ground troops approach. 60,000 battle crazed, combat hardened (or not) troops will soon be storming the beaches.


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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
I am amazed you can launch any invasion this early given the low prep levels
RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Which Corps are you using for your attack on Formosa ??
RE: Downfall - probably mine.
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
Which Corps are you using for your attack on Formosa ??
Dunno, a bunch of yanks on boats.
Edit - XI Corps
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Co-ordination doesn't seem to be a problem for the Japanese


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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Go easy around Taichung and Kaoshung, I have relatives there.
Intel Monkey: https://sites.google.com/view/staffmonkeys/home
RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Lots of HQ's all concentrated in big AF's
RE: Downfall - probably mine.
I'll try but remember that moderation in war is imbicility.
Those crafty japs can spring some nasty surprises:
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied Ships
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
And yes, she's at 88% flt. Ouch
Those crafty japs can spring some nasty surprises:
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied Ships
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
And yes, she's at 88% flt. Ouch
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
6th September
Remember I said crafty? This is at Miri, yes Miri, safely in the allied lake that is the South China Sea, right?
Night Time Surface Combat, near Miri at 64,87, Range 10,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 1
DD Take
DD Kaya
DD Shiokaze
DD Yakaze
Allied Ships
DE Bleasdale, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DE Eggesford, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAK Nairnbank, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Meanwhie we land at Taichu, the LSM(R)s really work!
Pre-Invasion action off Taichu
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force
65 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB California
BB Pennsylvania
CA Salt Lake City
CA Pensacola
CL Concord
CL Marblehead
DD Sigourney
DD Shields
DD Saufley
DD Nicholas
DD Newcomb
DD Mertz
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
LCI-70
LCI-69
LCI-68
LSM(R)-189
LSM(R)-188
LST-38
LST-40
LST-167
LST-39
Japanese ground losses:
2076 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 99 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 146 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 40 (0 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
The AI seems to be moving troops by sea, not sure what that's all about:
Submarine attack near Matsue at 106,55
Japanese Ships
xAK Hiyama Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Jack
Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Remember I said crafty? This is at Miri, yes Miri, safely in the allied lake that is the South China Sea, right?
Night Time Surface Combat, near Miri at 64,87, Range 10,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 1
DD Take
DD Kaya
DD Shiokaze
DD Yakaze
Allied Ships
DE Bleasdale, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DE Eggesford, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAK Nairnbank, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Meanwhie we land at Taichu, the LSM(R)s really work!
Pre-Invasion action off Taichu
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force
65 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB California
BB Pennsylvania
CA Salt Lake City
CA Pensacola
CL Concord
CL Marblehead
DD Sigourney
DD Shields
DD Saufley
DD Nicholas
DD Newcomb
DD Mertz
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
LCI-70
LCI-69
LCI-68
LSM(R)-189
LSM(R)-188
LST-38
LST-40
LST-167
LST-39
Japanese ground losses:
2076 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 99 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 146 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 40 (0 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
The AI seems to be moving troops by sea, not sure what that's all about:
Submarine attack near Matsue at 106,55
Japanese Ships
xAK Hiyama Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Jack
Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
nago seems to be acting as some sort of honeypot for the Jap airforce, hence this:


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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Sept 8th 45
The IJN ASW is not nice:
ASW attack near Fukue-jima at 100,58
Japanese Ships
E No.29
E No.205
Allied Ships
SS Pompon, hits 6
Their subs are still a bit naughty too:
Sub attack near Hengchun at 83,68
Japanese Ships
SS I-36, hits 21, and is sunk
Allied Ships
DD McCord, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia
CA Portland
DD Southerland
DD McNair
DD McKee
DD McGowan
DD McDermut
Meanwhile the IJA is kind enough to give us an extra day so all our troops are ashore before the usual banzai lunacy:
Ground combat at Taichu (86,64)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 7340 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 374
Defending force 24652 troops, 632 guns, 494 vehicles, Assault Value = 712
Japanese adjusted assault: 70
Allied adjusted defense: 162
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
2227 casualties reported
Squads: 48 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 51 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (0 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Assaulting units:
76th Ind.Mixed Brigade
103rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Fleet
4th JNAF AF Unit
139th JAAF AF Bn
14th JAAF AF Bn
51st Air Defense AA Battalion
13th JAAF AF Coy
Defending units:
25th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
112th Cavalry Regiment
I Corps Artillery
XI US Corps
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
9/9/45
Taichu fell, bloodily for the IJA:
Ground combat at Taichu (86,64)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 22928 troops, 632 guns, 493 vehicles, Assault Value = 712
Defending force 11188 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 266
Allied adjusted assault: 529
Japanese adjusted defense: 98
Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Taichu !!!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
4401 casualties reported
Squads: 172 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 212 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 65 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 31 (31 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Allied ground losses:
245 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Assaulting units:
25th Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
I Corps Artillery
XI US Corps
Defending units:
76th Ind.Mixed Brigade
103rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th JAAF AF Bn
4th JNAF AF Unit
3rd Fleet
139th JAAF AF Bn
51st Air Defense AA Battalion
13th JAAF AF Coy
Base forces and engineers will arrive soon to provide the air umbrella
Not sure what these poor schmucks were doing:
Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 99,60
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M7 Zero x 1
A6M8 Zero x 2
Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 12
P-47N Thunderbolt x 3
TBM-1C Avenger x 23
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
Japanese Ships
xAK Achou Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Igasa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Izumo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Sangetsu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Nitiryu Maru
xAK Nitiren Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
The survivors were finished off in the afternoon
Nago and Iwo Jima were attached again but they fought off the attackers with little loss. This is the top scoring unit so far:

Taichu fell, bloodily for the IJA:
Ground combat at Taichu (86,64)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 22928 troops, 632 guns, 493 vehicles, Assault Value = 712
Defending force 11188 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 266
Allied adjusted assault: 529
Japanese adjusted defense: 98
Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Taichu !!!
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
4401 casualties reported
Squads: 172 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 212 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 65 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 31 (31 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Allied ground losses:
245 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Assaulting units:
25th Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
112th Cavalry Regiment
I Corps Artillery
XI US Corps
Defending units:
76th Ind.Mixed Brigade
103rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th JAAF AF Bn
4th JNAF AF Unit
3rd Fleet
139th JAAF AF Bn
51st Air Defense AA Battalion
13th JAAF AF Coy
Base forces and engineers will arrive soon to provide the air umbrella
Not sure what these poor schmucks were doing:
Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 99,60
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M7 Zero x 1
A6M8 Zero x 2
Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 12
P-47N Thunderbolt x 3
TBM-1C Avenger x 23
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
Japanese Ships
xAK Achou Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Igasa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Izumo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Sangetsu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Nitiryu Maru
xAK Nitiren Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
The survivors were finished off in the afternoon
Nago and Iwo Jima were attached again but they fought off the attackers with little loss. This is the top scoring unit so far:

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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

RE: Downfall - probably mine.
ORIGINAL: sprior
Dunno, a bunch of yanks on boats.
The Yale crew team then....[:'(]
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RE: Downfall - probably mine.
Do you see where the aircraft are coming from I dont have that many Oscar IV's int he scen so they must be leaking from sopmewhere