Regarding the next official AAR

[squatter]

I know this will upset a few people, but I would politely like to request that for your next AAR you ask a different member of the testing team to write it other than Pyledriver.

I respect the amount of time that Pyledriver put into his last AAR, and that many people obviously enjoyed it.

I personally, however, found his style of dealing with posters on his thread obnoxious. I for one, could not bear to read another AAR from him.

As I said, I respect that others obviously enjoyed his AAR, but if there is any possibility of another tester posting the next one - especially if it is head-to-head rather than vs AI, then that would be great.

Hope this doesnt sound rude, it's just one user's opinion.

[ComradeP]

Another perspective would be refreshing, as we're now familiar with PyleDriver's style.

[wiking62]

Jon (Pyledriver) likes to showcase the game without having to answer questions that are not directly linked to his AAR. If you ask questions about his tactics etc he is more than willing to answer, however he has always made it very clear that any other question should be asked in a seperate thread. I for one have no problem with this.
 
I think stating Jon's attitude is "obnoxious" to some posters is very unfair. Whilst another testers AAR, viewpoint will always be welcome (Elmo's are also a great read) I for one will be eagerly awaiting Jon's next AAR. Everyone has a different style of writing and as long as they are showcasing the game during the development cycle I for one will be very happy.

[critter]

I liked Pyle Drivers AAR's and hope to read more of his or any others.
But I echo squatters thoughts on some of the testers comments to other posters in these threads. While we all appreciate their work I've been put off by more than a few of their Holier than thou attitudes. While they in no way deserve to be called "Yes men" in the end they are just doing something we'd all like to do. But got in to late or didn't know the right person.
Remember after its out and everyone has it. No one will remember who play tested it. GG will get the checks and most of the community will be looking for the next great game.

[Wild]

I find this thread to be extremely obnoxious.
Jon wanted to concentrate on strategy and tactics in his AAR. He asked several times,that if people had other questions to start another thread.
People were either to lazy to read his requests or simply felt their questions were so important that they could disregard his very reasonable request.
I am very disappointed with the attitude of many in this forum. In my opinion many people are acting like spoiled kids. This is a grongard game and we should set a higher standard for ourselves.
Jon i'm looking forward to your next AAR.

[Ron]

ORIGINAL: Wild

I find this thread to be extremely obnoxious.
Jon wanted to concentrate on strategy and tactics in his AAR. He asked several times,that if people had other questions to start another thread.
People were either to lazy to read his requests or simply felt their questions were so important that they could disregard his very reasonable request.
I am very disappointed with the attitude of many in this forum. In my opinion many people are acting like spoiled kids. This is a grongard game and we should set a higher standard for ourselves.
Jon i'm looking forward to your next AAR.

Please, you are off-topic, this thread is only for those who wish to complain and/or have a beef with Pyledriver's AAR style. You are making it hard to concentrate on the flow, if you want to discuss defense or justification of Pyledriver's AAR style then start your own thread. Thank you.

[Wild]

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[Wild]

ORIGINAL: Ron

ORIGINAL: Wild

I find this thread to be extremely obnoxious.
Jon wanted to concentrate on strategy and tactics in his AAR. He asked several times,that if people had other questions to start another thread.
People were either to lazy to read his requests or simply felt their questions were so important that they could disregard his very reasonable request.
I am very disappointed with the attitude of many in this forum. In my opinion many people are acting like spoiled kids. This is a grongard game and we should set a higher standard for ourselves.
Jon i'm looking forward to your next AAR.

Please, you are off-topic, this thread is only for those who wish to complain and/or have a beef with Pyledriver's AAR style. You are making it hard to concentrate on the flow, if you want to discuss defense or justification of Pyledriver's AAR style then start your own thread. Thank you.

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[janh]

[font="verdana"]It simply may be that some readers hope for more information in an AAR presently than purely the strategy aspects, but want to learn more about the game, its features, its mechanics.  Simply figure out what the game is, how it relates to games that one may have played before, and what one can truly expect from it.  Kind of advertising the game with the AAR, showing off as much positive as possible.  But of course those side remarks are useless for you guys from the alpha testing team, only to us newbies.  And of course they'd dilute the AAR somewhat.  On the other hand it is tiresome to go back, find the new thread that discusses blabla feature etc.   Or find the appropriate post in the long [/font][font="verdana"]"War in the East Q&A" thread.  I simply wouldn't have enough time to go through that "threat" of  almost 40 pages, so I can understand that Squatter would have preferred a different style AAR.   Both arguments for and against are equally valid, and it probably doesn't really matter what the form of the AAR is, the content is crucial.  [/font]

[SGHunt]

When someone is taking time to showcase the game for me, no strings, no costs, just for free, I tend to follow their rules.    The use of the word obnoxious here is bang out of order - direct, rough, even rude, but not obnoxious.   Please can we all be more careful about the language we use - it matters.   It sets a tone.   Read the post back to yourself before sending and think how would you like it if it was coming back at you.  

Squatter - you twice mentioned politeness and not wishing to appear rude.   Just taking out that key trigger word (obnoxious) would have altered the whole tone of your email.   Better still, why not just ask for someone else to post an AAR to get a different perspective.  

Personally, Jon's skill at handling his panzers was what I wanted to see and hear about, and comment on.   His game play taught me so much about the purpose of all the detailed mechanics, supply, C&C etc, in a very clear way.    That's why I was gripped.

Stuart 

[critter]

ORIGINAL: Wild

I find this thread to be extremely obnoxious.
Jon wanted to concentrate on strategy and tactics in his AAR. He asked several times,that if people had other questions to start another thread.
People were either to lazy to read his requests or simply felt their questions were so important that they could disregard his very reasonable request.
I am very disappointed with the attitude of many in this forum. In my opinion many people are acting like spoiled kids. This is a grongard game and we should set a higher standard for ourselves.
Jon i'm looking forward to your next AAR.

Next time don't publish his AAR till it's finished. That way people who see things thay puzzle them won't be tempted to ask about them.
Several times I saw points brought up that needed attention. That wouldn't have been known about if it wasn't in the AAR. Mud, Air Losses, ATV losses and OOB omissions. Allot of the times I saw them answered with ATTITUDES not consistant with a gronard game.
This won't be the first time a game will be released with errors or even WRONG.
The testers are privy to the way GARY want's it done, not the final authority on the East front. IT seems silly to see something in an AAR picture and then have to start anorher thread to discuss it.
Standard goes both ways. Allot of the people on this forum have the same books and were studying the war when the testers were playing with army men.
Looking forward to PD's next AAR.

[Hard Sarge]

okay how is this

new campaign, on Challenging, I am the German, the AI is the Russian

it is one of the new battles for training the player

here is the start

it is called, Road to Minsk

as you see, the main goal is to break though and take Minsk

[Hard Sarge]

and here is the end

[Hard Sarge]

I had a Div next to Mog that could of made a attack, but I knew I had the numbers to win, so held off (I wouldn't of gambled with the attack in a real game, so wouldn't do it in a test game)

now, if you like, maybe we can set up a longer version of the AAR, if not, well, that is the short and sweet version of it

(and just in case, it is a WIP, and it's needs more work, which is why I am being obnoxious about it, give us a couple of days and maybe we can show case it a little better, but it shows some of the smaller stuff we are trying to get added to the overall game)

[Neal_MLC]

That was a very enlightening AAR there Hard Sarge,  The finesse the way you posted was truly elegant and I so glad you waited until the campaign was done avoiding all those unnecessary posts.
 
As Hard Sarge so aptly demostrated, an AAR is a journey not a destination.

[critter]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
now, if you like, maybe we can set up a longer version of the AAR, if not, well, that is the short and sweet version of it

Thats funny.. No what I'd like is for you to print it out..Roll it up and stick it up your ass.
I don't really care. Things that I've seen that I'd like to see addressed ( production, counter info. Finland) have already been answered by the game designer. Not by a tester that acts like an Ahole because he thinks he has some kind of authority .
If you read the above posts and came away with this answer. What can I add?

[stevekten]

I'm glad to see im not the only one that did not like his AAR style. To much hey look at how great i am!

[pompack]

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[knilli]

ORIGINAL: hart2412

Jon (Pyledriver) likes to showcase the game without having to answer questions that are not directly linked to his AAR. If you ask questions about his tactics etc he is more than willing to answer, however he has always made it very clear that any other question should be asked in a seperate thread. I for one have no problem with this.

I think stating Jon's attitude is "obnoxious" to some posters is very unfair. Whilst another testers AAR, viewpoint will always be welcome (Elmo's are also a great read) I for one will be eagerly awaiting Jon's next AAR. Everyone has a different style of writing and as long as they are showcasing the game during the development cycle I for one will be very happy.

I agree!

[knilli]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

and here is the end

I love it! [:D]