Turn Replay?

[Michael T]

Will the game have the ability to replay the opponents turn?

[Gil R.]

You mean PBEM replay? No, that's not there. We do, however, have pretty extensive reports, so while you can't watch the firing, you will know what happened. (None of our testers has complained about the lack of replay -- at least, not as far as I can remember.)

[Michael T]

Well, I think you will get complaints from PBEM players. Here is your first....

[Erik Rutins]

You can watch the combat execution that takes place on your turn and check the reports and results for what happens during your opponent's turn, which tell you each combat, which units participated and morale and damage results and some special events. It's not that different from WITW or WITE in that regard.

Regards,

- Erik

[Michael T]

Well I guess if enough players want it, it will happen. AGEOD listened to their PBEm player base and we now have a replay feature. If only they would introduce a PBEm server as well....

I will probably still get this game. But a replay feature for PBEm would be nice. Reports just don't cut it for me. You need to be able to see how, and where from, enemy units got to be where they presently are to get a good feel for what happened in a turn. For example, if a bunch of guys suddenly appear in my rear I want to know what direct they came from. Just my 2 cents.

[mmarquo]

I second the vote for PBEM replay; nothing like seeing the action unfold in "real time."

Thanks

[Gil R.]

I checked with our programmer, EricBabe, and he confirms that adding PBEM replay is no small undertaking. We didn't include it in BAB#1 because the game has taken long enough, and this would have caused AT LEAST a one-month delay, and probably much longer. (I have dark memories of how long it took to add this to "Forge of Freedom" and find all of the bugs associated with it, since PBEM replay involves code that touches on just about every part of the game.)

So the best thing I can say is that it is not impossible, but would involve a significant dedication of time and resources, and would come at the expense of making other improvements. So, a decision for WCS to make down the road. We will certainly welcome feedback from people who are playing PBEM before making that decision.

[Erik Rutins]

Message heard. I think if you're happy with WITE/WITW PBEM though you'll also enjoy this. Playing PBEM, I haven't had trouble keeping up - units do not scoot across the map in a turn, so it's clear when they show up where they came from and the battle information on who fought who and casualty and morale damage is clear. As noted, you also get to watch the execution on your own turn. However, a fully animated replay would be great to have, I agree and it's something we'll keep looking at.

Regards,

- Erik

[e_barkmann]

However, a fully animated replay would be great to have, I agree and it's something we'll keep looking at.

I would say this is pretty much essential to get a community going.

[Erik Rutins]

Hi Chris,

It's not essential - we have many games that use reports, markers and partial replays and are doing just fine in terms of multiplayer community. However, we certainly recognize that is is a nice feature to have and would make PBEM players happier. We'd like to add a full replay in the future, but we feel that we are already at par with many other PBEM games right now.

Regards,

- Erik

[Michael T]

HPS/JT have had replays in every game they have for decades. Just saying.

[Gil R.]

One can't really compare engines that way. Not to mention that a better comparison would be to the very first Tiller game -- did that already have PBEM replay, or was it added later when the series became popular?

The game could have had a PBEM replay upon release, but then it would be missing an awful lot of the features that, we believe, are setting a new bar for Civil War tactical games. Or it would have been delayed for months longer. Given those as options, I believe we made the right choice not including it at the time of release.

[e_barkmann]

Fair call, will look at some PBEM AAR's when available.

cheers

[Rosseau]

Coming from WCS, this will obviously be a premium game in terms of price and quality and definitely fills a niche, imho.

My main concern at first glance is a lack of scenarios. Basically, various iterations of four battles. Also, 1861 was fought by "amateurs" and that phase of the war never held my interest. Others will feel different, I am sure. However, if you're setting us up for paid dlc (and a premium price upfront with no editor), I'm a bit concerned.

Nevertheless, wishing you the best on release!

[Gil R.]

Rosseau,
Those are simply the scenarios that will be in the game when it is released -- we will be adding more scenarios over time, and not charging a thing for them. My plan is to have at least one scenario ready to go for our first patch, and quite possibly more (mainly depending on my non-WCS workload).

You're certainly right about the "amateurs," but I think part of the fun -- or perhaps "challenge" is the better word -- is trying to win with inferior forces bearing inferior weapons. By the time one gets to Gettysburg the troops are as good as they were ever going to be and their weapons (with a few exceptions that never had wide distribution) were also as effective as they were going to be. BAB is designed with both types of armies in mind. It should definitely be interesting to compare the experience of fighting 2nd Manassas and 1st Manassas.

I have to say, I didn't know much about this early phase -- other than the basics about 1st Bull Run -- until I began to research the battles, but now I find it a fascinating period. The Battle of Williamsburg is one of my favorite battles of the Civil War, and it surprises me that it's been so overlooked, overshadowed as it's been by the Seven Days' Battles two months later. Wilson's Creek is also very interesting, as is the background. And Mill Springs is a tiny battle by Shiloh or Gettysburg standards, but still quite compelling. (If you get the game you will find in the manual that "Battleline," one of the two main contributors of generals' bios for "Forge of Freedom," has written lengthy summaries of each battle that do a good job explaining their circumstances and impacts as well as how the battles unfolded -- definitely worth taking a look at.

[Rosseau]

Thanks Gil for addressing my questions. At least I will learn something new regarding the early war, vs. another Gettysburg or Antietam. And the moddable files are a nice bonus for more "what if" situations we can create. A few more scenarios via patches is really welcome. I am sold [:)]

[Erik Rutins]

I can personally speak to how much I hate flintlock muskets in the rain after testing Mill Springs from the CSA side.

Regards,

- Erik

[Michael T]

After monitoring the initial reports about this game I am going to dive in a buy a copy. I only play PBEM so after some initial learning curve time I will be posting for an opponent or 2.

I hope you guys can develop a replay feature sooner rather than later.

[Clinchrifles]

I also think that a turn replay is a huge selling point in mp. I would love it. Thanks

[AlessandroD]

Fair call, will look at some PBEM AAR's when available.

I'll try to write one if I will have enough spare time.

I only play PBEM so after some initial learning curve time I will be posting for an opponent or 2.

Same here, I guess I have only 4-5 hours played vs AI, and my first PBEM game is going to start!
Let me know when you will be ready [:)]

I also think that a turn replay is a huge selling point in mp. I would love it. Thanks

We soon shall see if the report will be enough [;)]