Sub question

[jcrohio]

I know this has been asked multiple times and I have read all the threads but today I had a situation I'm not sure of. Place group of four USA sub in raider mode in a convoy hex surrounded by water. During Japanese turn got attacked by a cvl and took losses. Ok I thought only land based air could attack ocean going subs but this makes sense.

But on my turn Japanese sub parks close to me in ocean hex. I move a carrier group out in fleet mode adjacent to subs but it does not attack. The two major differences were the sub was not on a convoy lane and I had fleet carriers not CVLs.

Any help would be appreciated.
Jack

[incbob]

When playing as the Allies I too had had subs attacked by Japanese CVs and have not gotten an answer as to why. By the rules my US subs should not have gotten attacked. Cannot answer that one.

According to the rules if the submarine is in hex that has no land it cannot be attacked. So no matter what your ship was it could not attack the submarine.

[incbob]

Is this what you are talking about.

I am Japan The Sub has not moved. The sub was and still is in Raider mode, but is getting attacked.

[jcrohio]

That situation I could understand as the sub is adjacent to hexes that contain beaches. In my situation the six adjacent hexes contained all water. No beaches or partial land hexes. Six 100% water hexes.

Jack

By the way copied your hints from War Room. Keep them open on second monitor as I play. Other great resource is a series of videos done by a guy. Can't remember his name but started with Warplan Europe and has continued with WP Pacific. They are outstanding.

Just looked him up. boardgamer0100 on YouTube.

[incbob]

You are correct

[AlvaroSousa]

I need a screen shot of the combat log and where the sub is at. I have checked the code now 3x and it is correct.

[ago1000]

It may not be in the code but in the scenario map tile. Locations I have found so far are included in the pic and near Formosa.

[jcrohio]

Here is a screenshot from a saved game from yesterday. I had already move the sub group back to port.

Hope it helps.

Jack

[gwgardner]

There are two shades of shallow water, where subs can be attacked: light blue and lighter light blue, for lack of a better descriptor. All those marked are in shallow water.

[ago1000]

Here are other locations that I've found thus far that allow for attacks also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA1tvWj ... dgamer0100

[gwgardner]

ORIGINAL: ago1000

Here are other locations that I've found thus far that allow for attacks also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA1tvWj ... dgamer0100

all shallow water

[ago1000]

I think there is more to it. Like possibly reconnaissance levels at play also. Subs can only be attacked near shore in a non ocean hex. This pic clearly indicates that the sub suffered an attack in an ocean hex (bottom left)[next to a shallow water hex??] . I've searched the manual and cannot find shallow water type hexes hence my confusion.

[ncc1701e]

Maybe the color of shallow water needs to be made more distinct from deep water.

[ago1000]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Maybe the color of shallow water needs to be made more distinct from deep water.

Or state "shallow ocean" in the bottom left. I've never heard of a "shallow ocean hex" in game. Is this in the manual somewhere? (ie. I've heard of ocean and non-ocean hexes)

[incbob]

ORIGINAL: jcrohio
Here is a screenshot from a saved game from yesterday. I had already move the sub group back to port.
Hope it helps.
Jack

This is the one attack that I do not understand.

[AlvaroSousa]

A.I. is cheating. I'll try r
Try to replicate.

What version?

[jcrohio]

Most up to date. 1.01? I think I have a save of end of my turn before I hit "End Turn". Not at computer right now but can check later tonight.

[incbob]

ORIGINAL: ago1000

I think there is more to it. Like possibly reconnaissance levels at play also. Subs can only be attacked near shore in a non ocean hex. This pic clearly indicates that the sub suffered an attack in an ocean hex (bottom left)[next to a shallow water hex??] . I've searched the manual and cannot find shallow water type hexes hence my confusion.

This one I can explain. If you look at the sub and count it as hex 1 then count south 2 and 3. The third hex you come to has a little bit of land. That makes it a beach hex. Subs 1 hex away from a beach can be attacked.

[ago1000]

@incbob - Thank you.
So for clarification, any shading light blue, a little darker than the previous blue is considered coastal and subs can be attacked ("shallow water"). The darkest blue ocean hexes are the only deep water hexes and subs cannot be attacked there.

[incbob]

ORIGINAL: ago1000

@incbob - Thank you.
So for clarification, any shading light blue, a little darker than the previous blue is considered coastal and subs can be attacked ("shallow water"). The darkest blue ocean hexes are the only deep water hexes and subs cannot be attacked there.

Subs can be attacked in an ocean hex if they are 1 hex away from a "beach hex" which is defined, as far as I can tell, any hex that has some water and some land and the land is less than 50%.