Army Detachment Hollidt

[Metalist]

Hi everyone. I am playing StB scenario and noticed that Army Detachment Hollidt is not formed. It is formed from XVII Corps in November 1942 and saw considerable action in South. Considering that German command chain is pretty overloaded, a new army would come in handy, plus it is historical.

Two sources: https://www.axishistory.com/books/148-g ... ng-hollidt
http://www.ordersofbattle.com/Units/Uni ... ?UniX=9988

[Wiedrock]

Army Detachment Hollidt

Indeed this one appears to be missing, altough I guess more of such shortliving makeshift/"inbetweeny" HQs like this one are not included in the current OOB.

The XVII got a new staff and was subordinated to it's "old staff", now named "Gruppe Hollidt". This "Army"-like HQ would only stick around for ~3months, since it's staff later became the reformed 6th Army which in game doesn't get disbanded/removed/destroyed in Stalingrad.

Source: Georg Tessin

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[DarkHorse2]

In some works, they have it depicted as Army Group Hollidt.

Jan 1943 -

Army Group Hollidt
At Army Group's Disposal
306th Division (some minor detachments)
1/,2/,3/579th Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/,3/580th Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/,3/581st Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/580th Grenadier Regiment
306th Schnell Battalion
1/,2/,3/306th Artillery Regiment
306th Pioneer Battalion
306th Signals Battalion
306th Division (Einheiten) Support Units
403rd Security Division (some unknown detachments)
1/,2/,3/354th Infantry Regiment
1/,2/,3/177th Infantry Regiment
403rd (Russian) Cavalry Battalion
2/8th Police Regiment
826th Motorized Signals Company
403rd Division (Einheiten) Support Units
213th Security Division (some unknown detachments)
1/,2/,3/610th Infantry Regiment
1/,2/,3/610th Infantry Regiment
201st Motorized Signals Company
1/213th Artillery Battalion
318th Cavalry Battalion (4 sqns)
3/9th Police Regiment (3 cos)
318th Division (Einheiten) Support Units
11th Panzer Division
1/,2/110th Panzer Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/111th Panzer Grenadier Regiment
11th Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion
2/,3/15th Panzer Regiment
1/,2/,3/119th Artillery Regiment
277th Army Flak Battalion
61st Panzerjäger Battalion
61st Panzer Pioneer Battalion
61st Panzer Signals Battalion
61st Division (Einheiten) Support Units
Mieth Group:
336th Division
1/,2/,3/685th Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/,3/686th Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/,3/687th Grenadier Regiment
336th Schnell Battalion
1/,2/,3/,4/336th Artillery Regiment
336th Pioneer Battalion
336th Signals Battalion
336th Division (Einheiten) Support Units
7th Luftwaffe Field Division
1st, 2nd & 3rd Battalion
Panzerjäger Battalion (3 cos)
Artillery Battalion (3 batteries)
Flak Battalion (3 batteries)
Bicycle Company
Pioneer Company
Signals Company
Heitmann Group:
organization unknown
Burgstaller Group:
organization unknown
384th Staff Group:
organization unknown
Stakell Group:
organization unknown
XVII Corps:
Spang Group:
organization unknown
22nd Panzer Division6
1/,2/204th Armored Regiment
22nd Panzer Grenadier Brigade
1/,2/129th Panzer Grenadier Regiment
140th Panzerjäger Battalion
24th Motorcycle Battalion
2/,3/,4/140th Artillery Regiment
140th Signals Battalion
50th Pioneer Battalion
140th Division (Einheiten) Support Units
294th Division
1/,2/,3/513th Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/,3/514th Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/,3/515th Grenadier Regiment
249th Schnell Battalion
1/,2/,3/,4/249th Artillery Regiment
249th Pioneer Battalion
249th Signals Battalion
249th Division (Einheiten) Support Units
8th Luftwaffe Field Division (subordinated to
294th Div)
1st Romanian Armored Division
1st Tank Regiment
3rd Motorized Infantry Regiment
4th Motorized Infantry Regiment
1st Motorized Artillery Regiment
7th Romanian Cavalry Division:
11th (mot) Rosiori Regiment
12th Rosiori Cavalry Regiment
12th Calarasi Cavalry Regiment
4th Horse Artillery Regiment
14th Romanian Division (only part of division present)
13th Infantry Regiment
39th Infantry Regiment
24th Artillery Regiment
29th Artillery Regiment
12th Calarasi Cavalry Regiment (1 sqn)
XXXXVIII Panzer Corps:
6th Panzer Division
1/,2/4th Panzer Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/114th Panzer Grenadier Regiment
1/,2/11th Panzer Regiment
6th Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion
1/,2/,3/76th Artillery Regiment
298th Flak Battalion
41st Panzer Abwehr (AT) Battalion
82nd Panzer Pioneer Battalion
82nd Panzer Signals Battalion
57th Division (Einheiten) Support Units
306th Division
(unknown part of division present)
Pfeiffer Group:
Staff 94th Division, organization unknown
XXIX Corps
Schuldt Brigade
only part of brigade present
62nd Division
(unknown part of division present)
1st "Eugenio di Savoia Cavalry (Celere) Division:
(unknown part of division present)
12th Saluzzo Cavalry Regiment
14th Alessandria Cavalry Regiment
11th Bersaglieri Regiment
15th Bersaglieri Battalion
27th Bersaglieri Battalion
33rd Bersaglieri Battalion
1st Mobile Artillery Regiment
52nd "Torino" (Semi-motorized) Division:
(unknown part of division present)
81st Torino Infantry Regiment
82nd Torino Infantry Regiment
52nd Torino Artillery Regiment
26th Mortar Battalion
52nd Mortar Battalion
52nd Engineer Battalion
2nd "Sforzesca" (Semi-motorized) Division:
(unknown part of division present)
53rd Umbria Infantry Regiment
54th Umbria Infantry Regiment
17th Sforzesca Artillery Regiment
302nd AA Battery (20mm)
304th AA Battery (20mm)
2nd Mortar Battalion
298th Division
(unknown part of division present)
7th Romanian Division (unknown part of division present)
14th Infantry Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
37th Infantry Regiment
4th Artillery Regiment
8th Artillery Regiment
12th Calarasi Cavalry Regiment (1 sqn)
9th Romanian Division (unknown part of division present)
34th Infantry Regiment
36th Infantry Regiment
40th Infantry Regiment
13th Artillery Regiment
18th Artillery Regiment
4th Calarasi Cavalry Regiment (1 sqn)
11th Romanian Division (unknown part of division present)
2nd Infantry Regiment
3rd Infantry Regiment
19th Infantry Regiment
21st Artillery Regiment
26th Artillery Regiment
1st Calarasi Cavalry Regiment (1 sqn)
Rear Area Security
403rd Security Division
(unknown part of division present, rest with
Hollidt Army Group)

see -
The American Historical Association for the Study of War Documents and the National
Archives and Records Service (National Archives Microcopy No. T-78, Roll 405.).
Tessin, G., Verbänd und Truppen der deutschen Wermacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten
Weltkrieg 1939-1945, Biblo Verlag, Osnabruck, 1977.
Kriegstagbuch des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht 1940-1945, Frankfurt-am-Main, Bernard
& Graefe, 1969.
Mueller-Hillebrand, B., Das Heer l933-l945, Frankfurt am mein, l956 Vol I & II, Verband
der Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen SS l939-l945
Madegj, W.V., Southeastern Europe Axis Armed Forces, Order of Battle, Allentown,PA,
1982.
Madej, W.,V., Italian Army Order of Battle, 1939-1943, Allentown, PA 1981
US Gov't, Notes on Emeny Army Identifications, Italy, October 1941

[TallBlondJohn]

Army Detachment Hollidt

Indeed this one appears to be missing, altough I guess more of such shortliving makeshift/"inbetweeny" HQs like this one are not included in the current OOB.

The XVII got a new staff and was subordinated to it's "old staff", now named "Gruppe Hollidt". This "Army"-like HQ would only stick around for ~3months, since it's staff later became the reformed 6th Army which in game doesn't get disbanded/removed/destroyed in Stalingrad.

Hollidt_in_Tessin.png

This does bug me - its the historical Germans displaying an ability not permitted the German player- to create (and re-name) ad-hoc HQs as required. Should be possible with AP expenditure, and would add a lot of 'feel' to the simulation.

I do get that the command limits act as a nerf on a German player that's doing too well, but that's not great design.