N Afrika, 1940

[boldairade]

After a long absence, I have been messing around vs the CPU.

Of course, this allows you to do things that prob wouldn't happen vs a real opponent.

As the Axis, i was able to conquer much of N Africa(all the way into Algiers) by the time I took Paris.

But the treaty with France gave it all back to Vichy.

Two questions:

1) Does this make sense
and
2) does anyone ever turn down the French peace? If so, would you have to conquer all the French cities and or defeat all French units?

[stjeand]

It makes sense...it is how treaties work.
Many times I captured nearly all of France but have to give most back due to the treaty.

NOW perhaps in RL the Germans could have gotten more in the treaty but that would be extremely difficult to code.


As for turning down French peace...
I have done it once or twice as a test and will never again.

They are impossible to make surrender and have to many units.
IF your opponent has emptied our Africa and you had the entire French army surrounded in France...then yes.

[boldairade]

It makes sense...it is how treaties work.
Many times I captured nearly all of France but have to give most back due to the treaty.

this does not answer the question: i asked if it made sense that axis forces would repatriate lands to independent subordinates of france.

my feeling is no. i am aware of how the original treaty worked, and understand it as a baseline. i just do not see that it makes sense if those areas are conquered.




They are impossible to make surrender and have to many units.
IF your opponent has emptied our Africa and you had the entire French army surrounded in France...then yes.

how would surrounding the french army work? you mean cut off from all supply sources? do all french units need to be eliminated? would capturing all french cities with numbers not cause them to surrender?

i genuinely do not know these answers.

[stjeand]

how would surrounding the french army work? you mean cut off from all supply sources? do all french units need to be eliminated? would capturing all french cities with numbers not cause them to surrender?

i genuinely do not know these answers.

Honestly it would be nearly impossible.

Germany would have to take every port and every supply source in mainland France and hope that France moved every unit they have to the mainland.
They will still move their capital to Africa.


For me the issue would be multiple corps would get away and once there were 6 or 7 of them in Africa it would be a nightmare to deal with due to supply, timing and defensive positions that they could take.
Add to that their navy will be able to just bother Italy and cover the Axis captured ports...along with the UK navy.


For me...

Best to let them go to Vichy then attack later on.

[kklemmick]

Agreed there is almost no reason to conquer France rather than let them go Vichy. I suppose if you invaded Syria and North Africa while at war with France that might be a reason, but honestly... just don't do that. It's much easier to take these during the winter after France has surrendered anyway, so there is just no reason to attack early, and despite how easy it is to get a surrender from France, doing a full conquest is time consuming and costly in causalities. The only time I'd do something like that is if the French player for some reason set themselves up to have their entire army completely surrounded (which the AI likes to do, but players are smart enough to avoid).

[ncc1701e]

Historically, I think Vichy was giving resources and money to Germany during the war. Attacking Vichy right away could eliminate these resources. But honestly, Germany has already plenty.