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Cannot rebuild Divison

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Just curious has to why I cannot rebuild this division. There are others also, they were split at one point and now I would like to reform them. Thanks
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Disregard the inactive division. It was a division at one point.
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Hanzberger wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:56 pm Just curious has to why I cannot rebuild this division. There are others also, they were split at one point and now I would like to reform them. Thanks

Often the most common cause is dissimilar upgrades to each section. Check the squads and devices. If any have upgraded differently, then the division can't re-combine until they are all they are same in each section A/B/C.
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I agree that the reason is likely unequal devices in the three sub units. The 35th Division originally has Type 94 Tankettes but they are already eligible for upgrade to Type 97 at the start of the game. The = symbol means that if the unit is set to accept upgrades and also replacements, it will be a candidate to get the upgrade. It is not automatic but possible. If you separated the division into the three parts and set all of them to receive upgrades it is possible that only one received it.
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I noticed that the A section has only 72 AV while the others have much more. That suggests that the A section was in combat and took some losses. So maybe you set A to receive replacements and upgrades but did not set B and C the same way.
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Dividing a div up means each part can upgrade devices separately and units with different devices can't recombine. This shouldn't be a problem for Japan as their devices are generated automatically if there's enough supply available all-be-it at slightly different times, maybe a week at the outside. Not so the Allies it becomes a BIG problem as their devices are produced by factories and go into pools and will only upgrade if the pool has sufficient numbers. It can take months if ever.

As the Allies I alway turn off auto upgrade for divided units. I don't bother with Japan.
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OK, A division that is split into three must maintain the same divices among all three parts in order to recombine. Doesn't matter if it's Japanese or Allied....GP
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btd64 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 12:19 pm OK, A division that is split into three must maintain the same divices among all three parts in order to recombine. Doesn't matter if it's Japanese or Allied....GP
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Ok thanks to all that replied. I actually remembered after I posted it. But good knowledge to those who are new to the game.
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Hanzberger wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:57 pm Ok thanks to all that replied. I actually remembered after I posted it. But good knowledge to those who are new to the game.
Hi Hanzberger, Any chance of a upgraded wire chart for Japanese aircraft?....GP
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Hanzberger wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:57 pm Ok thanks to all that replied. I actually remembered after I posted it. But good knowledge to those who are new to the game.
Yeah, well we've all fallen to this trap at LEAST once. For me, it's more like once/game if I'm lucky. Anyway, by careful manipulation of the "stockpile" option on the "Industry/Troops/Resource Pool" page, you should be able to upgrade all 3 parts to the same and then get them together. Pretty rare that I'm not able to eventually combine them.

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PaxMondo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:57 am
Hanzberger wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:57 pm Ok thanks to all that replied. I actually remembered after I posted it. But good knowledge to those who are new to the game.
Yeah, well we've all fallen to this trap at LEAST once. For me, it's more like once/game if I'm lucky. Anyway, by careful manipulation of the "stockpile" option on the "Industry/Troops/Resource Pool" page, you should be able to upgrade all 3 parts to the same and then get them together. Pretty rare that I'm not able to eventually combine them.

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All that and how long depends on production rate so in can take months in some cases to build up the pool.
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Chris21wen wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:39 am All that and how long depends on production rate so in can take months in some cases to build up the pool.
One good trick is to upgrade squads by regiments. This is the only case where you actually want to divide a division for faster upgrade, cause old squads wil be upgraded to new ones in the pools. So you only need regiment-level pool buildup for squads to finish the process in several turns. Devices need division-level buldup
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GetAssista wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:12 pm
Chris21wen wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:39 am All that and how long depends on production rate so in can take months in some cases to build up the pool.
One good trick is to upgrade squads by regiments. This is the only case where you actually want to divide a division for faster upgrade, cause old squads wil be upgraded to new ones in the pools. So you only need regiment-level pool buildup for squads to finish the process in several turns. Devices need division-level buldup
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GetAssista wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:12 pm
Chris21wen wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:39 am All that and how long depends on production rate so in can take months in some cases to build up the pool.
One good trick is to upgrade squads by regiments. This is the only case where you actually want to divide a division for faster upgrade, cause old squads wil be upgraded to new ones in the pools. So you only need regiment-level pool buildup for squads to finish the process in several turns. Devices need division-level buldup
To be clear, Regiments have to upgrade before combination into a Division. If you combine into a Division and then divide that, the Division's TOE is in effect and you have three parts of a Division with all the attendant devices. You can set the non-squad devices to stockpile if you want but I am not sure if that would help the squads with recovery from battle. It might - if support squads from Base Forces and the like can apply more of their recovery points to just the squads.
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BBfanboy wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:06 pm
GetAssista wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:12 pm
Chris21wen wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:39 am All that and how long depends on production rate so in can take months in some cases to build up the pool.
One good trick is to upgrade squads by regiments. This is the only case where you actually want to divide a division for faster upgrade, cause old squads wil be upgraded to new ones in the pools. So you only need regiment-level pool buildup for squads to finish the process in several turns. Devices need division-level buldup
To be clear, Regiments have to upgrade before combination into a Division. If you combine into a Division and then divide that, the Division's TOE is in effect and you have three parts of a Division with all the attendant devices. You can set the non-squad devices to stockpile if you want but I am not sure if that would help the squads with recovery from battle. It might - if support squads from Base Forces and the like can apply more of their recovery points to just the squads.
If the infantry and other combat squads are being stockpiled but the unit keeps getting support squads and support devices such as motor transports, then there will be more support for the unit and the unit should repair disabled devices faster.
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