Heeres-Sturmartillerie-Brigade went missing? [OB:799, OB:800, OB:801]

[Wiedrock]

For sure this must be an oversight in copying the old stuff to the new OOB 2.0. The wole individual evolving of Stug Brigades into Sturm Artillery Brigades is missing.
Before OOB 2.0 the Sturmartillerie-Brigaden (the ones with the Begleit Battery [Infantry attached to the StuGs]) were there, individually evolving into said formation. Now they are all gone but one. This one has due to the Suffix not even the name "Sturm Artillery" anymore?!

[Denniss]

AFAIR only a limited number of Stug Bdes got upgraded with the Begleit Battery so this separation is proper. This conversion is handled best with rename function although this offloads work to senario designers.
EDIT: a quick search at LdW came up with 236/239/667 converted/upgraded this way.
EDIT2: it seems a lot more were converted this way from later 44 on, probably after unit destruction and rebuild or withdrawn from front to refresh/rebuild

[Denniss]

Working through the LdW articles I found the following conversions
6/44 236,239,667
8/44 191
~9/44 600
11/44 226
12/44 261,277,303,905,(911, integrated into FG-Div),912
1/45 201
2/45 249
3/45 243
4/45 184,210,286,300,301,311,325,920 Lehr,

[Denniss]

These are the changes I made to Stug units in GC41:

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177 Stug Bn			disbands 3/44 (to 3 Cav Bde)
184 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
189 Stug Bn			disbands 1/43 (to 78 Sturm Div, later 4 Cav Bde/Div))
191 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 8/44
192 Stug Bn			disbands 4/42 (to Grossdeutschland Div)
200 Stug Bn			disbands 11/44 (to Fuehrer-Begleit Bde)
201 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 1/45
210 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
219 StuPa Bn		removed, renames from 237 Stug Bn
226 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 11/44
237 Stug Bn			add rename to 219 StuPa Bn in 9/44
243 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 3/45
249 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 2/45
261 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
270 Stug Bn			disbands delayed to end of 1943 (to Ski-Jaeger Div)
277 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
286 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
300 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
301 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
303 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
311 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
325 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
600 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 9/44
905 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
911 Stug Bn			disbands several month earlier in mid 7/44 (to Fuehrer-Grenadier Bde)
912 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
920 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45

247 Stug Batt		disbands end of 10/43 (to 90 PzG div)
352/353 Stug Batt	removed
393 Stug Batt		disbands end of 1943
395 Stug Batt		disbands end of 6/43
665 Stug Batt		remove WE transfer, disbands 8/42
741 Stug Batt		disbands end of 7/44
742 Stug Batt		moves back to Reserve in 10/43, disbands end of 1943

218 zbV StuPa Coy		upgrades to full Bn in 1/45
218 zbV2 StuPa Coy		renamed 2/218, disbands end of 1944

[Wiedrock]

Thanks for replying, I've checked how it was done in the old version.
There was a "Begleit Path" Stug Battalion which then later upgraded to Sturmartillery TOEs. 14 Units were affected (+1 which directly was created as Sturmartillery [1178th, the same one we have now]). So it's not the date/conversions which got lost but the "Begleit 'Path'" TOEs.

[MechFO]

These are the changes I made to Stug units in GC41:

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177 Stug Bn			disbands 3/44 (to 3 Cav Bde)
184 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
189 Stug Bn			disbands 1/43 (to 78 Sturm Div, later 4 Cav Bde/Div))
191 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 8/44
192 Stug Bn			disbands 4/42 (to Grossdeutschland Div)
200 Stug Bn			disbands 11/44 (to Fuehrer-Begleit Bde)
201 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 1/45
210 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
219 StuPa Bn		removed, renames from 237 Stug Bn
226 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 11/44
237 Stug Bn			add rename to 219 StuPa Bn in 9/44
243 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 3/45
249 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 2/45
261 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
270 Stug Bn			disbands delayed to end of 1943 (to Ski-Jaeger Div)
277 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
286 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
300 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
301 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
303 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
311 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
325 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45
600 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 9/44
905 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
911 Stug Bn			disbands several month earlier in mid 7/44 (to Fuehrer-Grenadier Bde)
912 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 12/44
920 Stug Bn			upgrades to Sturmartillerie Bde in 4/45

247 Stug Batt		disbands end of 10/43 (to 90 PzG div)
352/353 Stug Batt	removed
393 Stug Batt		disbands end of 1943
395 Stug Batt		disbands end of 6/43
665 Stug Batt		remove WE transfer, disbands 8/42
741 Stug Batt		disbands end of 7/44
742 Stug Batt		moves back to Reserve in 10/43, disbands end of 1943

218 zbV StuPa Coy		upgrades to full Bn in 1/45
218 zbV2 StuPa Coy		renamed 2/218, disbands end of 1944

Why is 393 supposed to disband? According to LdW:

393 becomes Heeres Stug Brigade late 44/early 45

395 if anything disbands end of July 44.

[Denniss]

Both batteries were not connected to the Brigades apart the number.
Both were disbanded at the time I disband them in GC41.
Maybe I should link them up.

[MechFO]

RH 10/72K
Verteilung und Lage der Sturm-Geschütz-Brigaden und -Abteilungen sowie der Panzer-Jäger-Abteilungen (SF) und -Kompanien
31. Jan. - 1. Juni 1944




Includes the complete list of Stug and Pz Jäg Sf in Pz/PzGren/ Infantry and Luftwaffe Div.