Is there a way to jam/disrupt incoming missile attack at a land attack?

[DWReese]

I've been blasting Iranian S-300 units using the Golden Horizon ALBM, which has been very successful. This has been in prep for a scenario that I am building surrounding the Israeli October attack on Iran's Air Defense systems.

I would like to know if there is any unit, or any way, that some kind of means could be used to electronically disrupt/jam this attack. If there isn't, that's fine. I just wanted to include that if it existed.

I noticed in the Scenario Features there are two items (Communication Disruption and Communications Jamming), but I believe that these only pertain to the attacker, and not to the defender.

So, if there is a way to do something to disrupt/jam this attack, please let me know.

Thanks

[Fido81]

Golden Horizon uses an Imaging IR seeker and a passive radar seeker for guidance. Neither of those are active seekers, so I'm not sure that conventional jamming as CMO models it would work. Golden Horizon also has HOJ (Home on Jam) capability and GPS guidance, so I'm not sure ECM would be advisable anyways.

The kicker is that Golden Horizon has BOL (Bearing Only Launch) capability, so the target doesn't even need to be emitting to be attacked - the location just has to be known.

Maybe you could try adding a bunch of decoy radar units to try to confuse the missile sensors?

My impression is that S-300's best bet is probably to relocate away from a (presumably already) known position and then not emit until it's sure it's going to score hits (or at all).

If you can't see it, you can't shoot it.

[HalfLifeExpert]

I don't think most Ballistic missiles use any active seekers that can be jammed. Most of the ones prior to the 1990s/2000s probably don't have much guidance other than initial firing coordinates and gyroscopes.

If any sort of jamming may work against more modern and advanced ones, my guess would be GPS jamming, or in the case of ASBM, radar jamming.

But if the missile is already in its terminal final phase, the effect of jamming could be rather limited, so defense jamming by the target or facilities close to the target may not be that effective.

[DWReese]

Thanks for the responses.

Are there any kind f Iranian jammers to place around the unit, even if they are for conventional weapons? How about GPS jamming? Does that exist within the game as of yet? If so, how might that be accessed? Which unit possesses that ability?

Thanks in advance.

[Nikel]

Recent news regarding jamming capabilities of Iran. These new system are not in the DB yet. They look very similar in the pic, not sure they are the same.

https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-n ... h-aircraft

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran ... -aircraft/


Found 2 Russian systems you may use on the Iranian side, only russian version in the db but Iran already uses them according to these links, Murmansk-BN and Avtobaza

https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-n ... h-fighters

https://www.armadainternational.com/202 ... c-warfare/

[DWReese]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll test them, and a few others, to see what the differences are.

Thanks again for your effort.

[Kushan04]

I've been blasting Iranian S-300 units using the Golden Horizon ALBM, which has been very successful. This has been in prep for a scenario that I am building surrounding the Israeli October attack on Iran's Air Defense systems.

I would like to know if there is any unit, or any way, that some kind of means could be used to electronically disrupt/jam this attack. If there isn't, that's fine. I just wanted to include that if it existed.

I noticed in the Scenario Features there are two items (Communication Disruption and Communications Jamming), but I believe that these only pertain to the attacker, and not to the defender.

So, if there is a way to do something to disrupt/jam this attack, please let me know.

Thanks

Speaking specifically about the Golden Horizon, I don't think any amount of jamming is going to prevent it from at least landing close to it's target. You could remove the GPS side enabler which may increase the CEP but I'm not sure. It has Weapon - INS w/ GNSS Navigation, presumably even without GNSS the INS would still be able to get it very close the DMPI.

As for Jamming directly, the RV has both IIR and Passive Radar seekers. AFAIK, no one has developed an IIR jammer for ground use. They are available on some aircraft. Even with one it's likely to be so short of range it won't matter against an RV. Jamming may be able to seduce the RV to the jammer instead of the original DMPI but it'd still have to be close to the original target to work.

Best bet is going to be active defenses.

[DWReese]

Thanks for the response.

I've been using the extensive work that you did to create my test bed. It is excellent. Your scenario should be "Scenario of the Year", if they have such a thing.

Regarding the jamming of the Horizon, I have tried many things and nothing works. Perhaps nothing should work, and it works exactly as it should. It's quite an effective weapon. I can see why the Israelis had so much success with it. If they know where to shoot, then the target is as good as dead.

Thanks again for the scenario.

[Nikel]

The Iranian Cobra-V8 is the Russian Krasukha-4, is also absent from the db but you may use the Russian version even though is probably useless for your purposes

https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/ ... 013025.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasukha#cite_note-8


Also of interest the known locations of the Ghadir OTH radars according to Samir.

38.75656,44.95603
36.06888,47.51154
33.52444,46.32585
31.47298,48.58191
35.13355,52.46938
32.19031,55.60779
29.61725,52.04332
27.86406,51.61230
26.39681,57.14256
28.09200,58.96593
25.25687,60.86084

[DWReese]

Thanks for the info on the jammer,

Also, thanks for the locations of the Ghadir units. That's very helpful.

[CanofWhoop]

As for Jamming directly, the RV has both IIR and Passive Radar seekers. AFAIK, no one has developed an IIR jammer for ground use. They are available on some aircraft. Even with one it's likely to be so short of range it won't matter against an RV. Jamming may be able to seduce the RV to the jammer instead of the original DMPI but it'd still have to be close to the original target to work.

Best bet is going to be active defenses.

The only IIR jammers on the ground that I know of are the Russian Shtora-1 (red eyes) on their t-90 series tanks.
Perhaps there are Western/NATO variants or other systems that work similarly.

[Nikel]

Thanks for the info on the jammer,

Also, thanks for the locations of the Ghadir units. That's very helpful.

I am getting these errors in the exception log when trying to engage a Golden Horizon with the iranian S-300, did you notice something similar?

01-06-2025 21:09:14 -- Bv1.08 - Build 1674 -- Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index -- Scen : Golden Horizon ALBM Test -- DB : -- Exception: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack Trace: at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException(ExceptionArgument argument, ExceptionResource resource)
at Command_Core.BallisticMissile_Kinematics.EstimatedFutureBallisticPath(ActiveUnit theUnit, Double StartLatitude, Double StartLongitude, Contact theTarget, Scenario theScen)
at Command_Core.BallisticMissile_Kinematics.aVJDu6OnsrDLDKINdCYK(Object , Double StartLatitude, Double StartLongitude, Object , Object )
at Command_Core.BallisticMissile_Kinematics.EstimatedFuturePathOfBallisticTarget(Contact theTarget, Scenario theScen)
at Command_Core.ActiveUnit_Weaponry.CanThisWeaponEngageThisTarget_Internal(Weapon theWeapon, Contact theTarget, Nullable`1& ASL_atFiringUnit, Boolean ManualFire, Boolean IgnoreAircraftOrientation, Boolean HumanFeedBackNeeded, Mount theMount, Sensor& SuitableDirectorSensor, Boolean DLZCheckRequested, Waypoint[] ExplicitCourse)
Call Stack & Error details:
Error at 101240:

01-06-2025 21:09:14!!!WARNING!!! EXCEPTION FUSE REACHED (x20 exceptions) FOR : -- Bv1.08 - Build 1674 -- Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index -- Scen : Golden Horizon ALBM Test -- DB : -- Exception: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack Trace: at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException(ExceptionArgument argument, ExceptionResource resource)
at Command_Core.BallisticMissile_Kinematics.EstimatedFutureBallisticPath(ActiveUnit theUnit, Double StartLatitude, Double StartLongitude, Contact theTarget, Scenario theScen)
at Command_Core.BallisticMissile_Kinematics.aVJDu6OnsrDLDKINdCYK(Object , Double StartLatitude, Double StartLongitude, Object , Object )
at Command_Core.BallisticMissile_Kinematics.EstimatedFuturePathOfBallisticTarget(Contact theTarget, Scenario theScen)
at Command_Core.ActiveUnit_Weaponry.CanThisWeaponEngageThisTarget_Internal(Weapon theWeapon, Contact theTarget, Nullable`1& ASL_atFiringUnit, Boolean ManualFire, Boolean IgnoreAircraftOrientation, Boolean HumanFeedBackNeeded, Mount theMount, Sensor& SuitableDirectorSensor, Boolean DLZCheckRequested, Waypoint[] ExplicitCourse)
Call Stack & Error details:
Error at 101240:

[DWReese]

No.

The Horizon obliterated the S-300 every time. The S-300 never fired a shot. It was just an easy target.

[Nikel]

Yes, it will not fire.

But when is near enough and you try manual engage, the error appears.

Also happens with the russian S-400.