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freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:03 pm

ok guys, any word from DR on the dd?

TheHellPatrol · Post by **TheHellPatrol** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:08 pm

[&:]Just to clear up any confusion...I am now ready for my BIN DD, before dinner would be nice[;)][:D].

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:54 pm

Sometimes I get frustrated, even as FRUGAL as I am and I mean VERY frugal when folks complain abou tthe price .. this game is like the rolls royce off hex, counter type games..

TheHellPatrol · Post by **TheHellPatrol** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:59 pm

ORIGINAL: freeboy

Sometimes I get frustrated, even as FRUGAL as I am and I mean VERY frugal when folks complain abou tthe price .. this game is like the rolls royce off hex, counter type games..

No kidding[8|], only difference is there is NO other competition, which makes it even more redundant[;)].

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:04 am

last few years have been lean, I like the hps stuff, but man they are big!!!
Ever Played the HPS Normandy 44 game?

now that would be a long pbem, 2 hour turns if I remember correctly, never tried pbem, but had fun kicking the ia's butt as the German, and like this Engine it allows for player mods, new scens etc...

TheHellPatrol · Post by **TheHellPatrol** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:10 am

I have every HPS game out there, although i haven't really played most of them...TOO big[X(]. I pretty much have every serious wargame ever made...it's my addiction[8|].

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:40 am

Did you not even load Normady 44?, It is interesting to see how differently the two systems use air power,

TheHellPatrol · Post by **TheHellPatrol** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:57 am

Oh no, i played ALL the smaller scenarios of every title and some of the big ones of Tobruk, BOB and MG. The only one i didn't get into at all ironically was Korsun Pocket...until SSG's version of course. Still too much of a meatgrinder for my tastes, i like room to maneuver. I used to read/re-read Heinz Guderian's Achtung-Panzer! before gaming...love those pincer moves[8D]. I started PC wargaming with Talonsoft products so HPS was second nature to me, believe it or not i had SSG's KP for over 6 months before i really figured it out[X(]. I kept thinking it was more complicated than it was and the interface threw me off, something a full fledged tutorial would have made easier as opposed to actually reading something on paper[;)].

marc420 · Post by **marc420** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:19 pm

Normandy is one of the HPS games I've got. With BIN constantly dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging
and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging ...

I started a HPS game of Omaha Beach a couple of weekends ago. Even with that being only a 5th of the landings, and with the resolution set on fast, it still took a long time to play each turn. Made it through like two or three turns then quit and uninstalled.

Air Power: In HPS, you get specific air missions from units. So for instance you have a group of A-20's. You then pick which hex (or which unit depending on optional rules) to attack with that air mission. Then the air mission will disappear for some of the following 2 hour turns.

If BIN is like KP, air power is more abstract. You get a certain number of attacks per turn. These can't attack on their own, but they can add a column shift to your battles. You also get a certain number of interdiction markers. These make movement really slow and help cut supply on the roads through an area of the map.

What's missing in the DB games is aerial recon. I was watching a show on the history channel where they had access to the aerial recon photos taken by the allies during D-Day. Seems pretty much like if something was moving in the open in daylight, it got spotted by the Allied aerial recon. Of course the Germans could try to move at night and then hide everything during the day. But that alone had to really slow down movement.

Bridges were important to. The allies made a large effort to cut the road and rail lines to Normandy, both before the battle and during the battle. So, at least in KP, another thing that's missing is using airpower to blow bridges behind the enemy lines.

thecker · Post by **thecker** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:04 pm

The HPS games are much more realistic, then the decisive battle series, theres really no comparison. however they are fun 'games' to play. It seems they confused tactical warfare with operational warfare though.
I was actually hoping they would have some good simulation ability since the scale is virtually perfect for operational warfare, even their units are the right size for battle groups(although it would be a bit coarse, still good for making long campaigns).
oh well like I say, theyre fun.

SlapBone · Post by **SlapBone** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:32 pm

ORIGINAL: marc420

With BIN constantly dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging
and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging ...

Understatement of the year...what is the freaking holdup? Today is release day for at least 3 other major games (2 that I'm interested in). If Matrix wants my money they better have it out soon. I'm an impulse shopper, and they are providing me with less and less incentive.

marc420 · Post by **marc420** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:24 pm

What else is out today?

Actaully, I just bought a Football GM (Front Office Football 2004)sim I've been meaning to get for awhile. I may be so into that for the near future that BIN gets put off anyways. If I can stay entertained and not spend $60, that may be the way things end up working out.

kverdon · Post by **kverdon** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:50 pm

Matrix???? [&:] Someone HAS to know when this is going to be available. I'm leaving on a long train trip on Friday and would love to take this with me on my laptop.

Kevin

SlapBone · Post by **SlapBone** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:31 pm

Sims 2 (no interest)
Madden 2005 PC (interested)
NHL 2005 (interseted)
Call of Duty United Offensive (interested)
Shellshock Vietnam (mild interest)

My initial recon verified that these games are at the game store. After work I will probably pick at least one up, thereby nullifying a BIN purchase.

2gaulle · Post by **2gaulle** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:35 pm

NHL 2005 (interseted)

this one sound logical as it will be the only way to have hockey this year[:D]

SlapBone · Post by **SlapBone** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:47 pm

ORIGINAL: 2gaulle

NHL 2005 (interested)

this one sound logical as it will be the only way to have hockey this year[:D]

Very true. Just another example of the overpriveleged thinking that the world owes them more. Kind of like game programmers.

Just kidding... get the game out!!

I was going to stop and get the COD expansion but my wife is making me buy Sims 2. The only computer in the house that will run it is mine.

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:52 pm

Go Bin !!!
Can it take so long to set up files for a download and then load a server?

Clipper1968 · Post by **Clipper1968** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:13 pm

It is already Thursday!!![&:] Hurry up![;)]

TheHellPatrol · Post by **TheHellPatrol** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:53 pm

ORIGINAL: freeboy

Go Bin !!!
Can it take so long to set up files for a download and then load a server?

It's DR...look how long it takes to get a CD[8|]...if...[X(]

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:02 pm

we don't really know where the bottleneck is do we?

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