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Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:19 pm
by ncc1701e
sveint wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:26 pm
When the Axis goes all in on Russia you
must invade France in 1943. You've been handicapping yourself.
Yes precisely, this is where the game inbalance is. German huge manpower allows them to create several infantry corps while Soviet manpower and production don't allow them to produce more needed rifle armies. This is the goal of my demonstration.
If this is the typical scenario of World in Flames, I am glad its UI is so messy that I have never played it.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:27 pm
by Nirosi
I stopped playing WiF a while ago. I always considered the system very inequal (good for some things, very bad for others). I preferred the ETO system, more balance across subrules (combat, logistics etc.) and with nice fluid results (especially the different attack phases allowing for nice armor warfare).
Overall I agree with ncc1701e general conclusion. The game would probably gain from rebalancing the MP. Either more for Soviets or less for Germany.
PS: Even UK should probably suffer at little for MP, which they never do.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:26 pm
by ncc1701e
Nirosi wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:27 pm
I stopped playing WiF a while ago. I always considered the system very inequal (good for some things, very bad for others). I preferred the ETO system, more balance across subrules (combat, logistics etc.) and with nice fluid results (especially the different attack phases allowing for nice armor warfare).
Overall I agree with ncc1701e general conclusion. The game would probably gain from rebalancing the MP. Either more for Soviets or less for Germany.
PS: Even UK should probably suffer at little for MP, which they never do.
Absolutely +1 for UK manpower that is too good too now that repairing planes does not need manpower.
Which ETO system are you speaking of?
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:36 pm
by Nirosi
There was ETO, then PTO, then AETO and then APTO
Here is the AETO :
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/913 ... operations
Have not played board wargame in years (10 or more?). But those remain old friends...
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:03 pm
by Hellway
Where can I find your counters style please ? (with images). Thanks.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:18 pm
by AlvaroSousa
ETO/PTO was too slow. Naval battles took an eternity. Too many air counters. A lot of rules that were very specific. The system didn't flow. WiF is more complex but the rules flow pretty well so it was fairly easy to pick up. Just don't play with Leaders in Flames or you will flip the table.
If everyone feels German manpower is an issue I can adjust it next patch. Originally they lost too much manpower.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:29 pm
by ncc1701e
Hellway wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:03 pm
Where can I find your counters style please ? (with images). Thanks.
Here, this is v7 version I think. I am not sure anymore.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=343221
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:35 pm
by Hellway
Thanks.
Hellway
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:41 am
by sveint
AETO/APTO, my favorite boardgames ever.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:42 am
by sveint
As for balance, we just need a handicap system, then everybody will be happy. Maybe for WarPlan 2?
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:28 pm
by AlvaroSousa
I did like what they tried to implement in AETO/APTO.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:54 pm
by stjeand
Mine was
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2802/war-in-europe
The game seemed fairly close to this one...Especially the way building worked.
That was a LONG time ago. Do still have a computer version of it though it is play by mail if I remember.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:14 pm
by Nirosi
I did hope to play this one when I was younger, but never got to it.
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 4:47 am
by battlevonwar
My best opponents never let up pressure in the West. I suppose figuring out the best way to keep pressure in the West takes a little bit of calculation. At my best Axis(most best opponents went in '45 too) 1 Berlin stood till the last turn the other it fell. When I was playing regularly!
Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 8:21 am
by ncc1701e
August 1943 - two tank corps have been destroyed. This is starting well...
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Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 8:23 am
by ncc1701e
In Italy, the Allies are advancing.
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Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 8:25 am
by ncc1701e
The USSR units are lacking some attack factors. Even on this 4-10 mechanized units, I can only achieve a 2-1 ratio.
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Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 8:26 am
by ncc1701e
My losses are still high. And my manpower is down to 38%.
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Re: And it starts
Posted: Sun May 05, 2024 8:29 am
by ncc1701e
End of August 1943 - two armies are encircled south of Leningrad. With again a 2-1 ratio for Soviet attacks, impossible to do something without taking huge losses. Also, it won't improve my manpower clearly.
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Re: And it starts
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 1:24 pm
by AlvaroSousa
You could make a surprise landing somewhere else just before the winter sets in so you get another foothold in France. Assuming he isn't super well defended.