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RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:20 am
by Hortlund
Battles over most parts of the front now. Model is penetrating my lines and Im having some success closing the gaps. In the process I have managed to cut off several tank corps. I just eliminated such a pocket in the north, where he lost 5 Tank Corps.
So, his tank losses are mounting.
This however irks me somewhat.
What he does is fill up the hexes that were surrounded with HQ-units, so the tank corps wont be able to retreat in the wrong direction. In the image, I had 4 Tank Corps and one Tank brigade surrounded. He managed to open the pocket and pull back one hex. Then he moved in 4 HQ units into the pocket so that the Tank Corps that were furthest east would not retreat west again.
I dont like that behavior.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:52 am
by DeletedUser1769703214
ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
Battles over most parts of the front now. Model is penetrating my lines and Im having some success closing the gaps. In the process I have managed to cut off several tank corps. I just eliminated such a pocket in the north, where he lost 5 Tank Corps.
So, his tank losses are mounting.
This however irks me somewhat.
What he does is fill up the hexes that were surrounded with HQ-units, so the tank corps wont be able to retreat in the wrong direction. In the image, I had 4 Tank Corps and one Tank brigade surrounded. He managed to open the pocket and pull back one hex. Then he moved in 4 HQ units into the pocket so that the Tank Corps that were furthest east would not retreat west again.
I dont like that behavior.
You really believe for one second a novice/beginner would know to do such a tactic? No disrespect to either of you two here but he is toying with you like a cat with a cornered mouse and is enjoying every second of it. To be honest this is the most depressing AAR I have ever read. This isnt an AAR (After Action Review) where we learn from each other, this is a "look at me" what I have done review. I can only shake my head in disbelief this game continues. Again no disrespect to either of you two but the skill mismatch is "highly" noticeable and this mismatch has made for a "very" one sided game.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:57 pm
by jwolf
That does look like a gamey tactic IMHO. It's designed, I assume, to avoid having units "herded" into pockets. Those HQ units will be routed, presumably, which will render them useless for about 2 turns. That may actually hurt the Soviets a bit as they don't have a lot of leadership to this point in the war. But as long as they're on the defensive, they probably won't miss much.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:17 am
by Stelteck
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
You really believe for one second a novice/beginner would know to do such a tactic? No disrespect to either of you two here but he is toying with you like a cat with a cornered mouse and is enjoying every second of it. To be honest this is the most depressing AAR I have ever read. This isnt an AAR (After Action Review) where we learn from each other, this is a "look at me" what I have done review. I can only shake my head in disbelief this game continues. Again no disrespect to either of you two but the skill mismatch is "highly" noticeable and this mismatch has made for a "very" one sided game.
I agree with you, a good player should seek challenge by facing dangerous foes in highly contested battle.
I always wonder why on earth a veteran player would try to disguise as newbie in order to find easy but not so interesting battle. And unnecessary using every tricks and exploits to win it.
This game is more shamefull for the winner than for its unfortunate opponent who looks very sportmanship and friendly.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:47 am
by Balou
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
This game is more shamefull for the winner than for its unfortunate opponent who looks very sportmanship and friendly.
+1.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:48 am
by DeletedUser1769703214
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
This game is more shamefull for the winner than for its unfortunate opponent who looks very sportmanship and friendly.
I could not agree with you more Stelteck. +1 to this post
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:52 pm
by Hortlund
Actually I wonder what the game would have looked like without that +1 Soviet attack. In my other games as the soviets, Im having enormous trouble breaking through even weak regiments, and in our game, Model just sliced through divisions.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:11 pm
by MrLongleg
Your opponent is obviously not a sportsman. He is an expert at this game and still uses gamey tactics and built-in advantages. As a sportsman he would have given you a built-in advantage instead of the other way arround. Just my 2 cents...
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:41 pm
by Qitbuqa
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
I always wonder why on earth a veteran player would try to disguise as newbie in order to find easy but not so interesting battle.
If Model is truly Pelton, as some of the observers stated in this very same topic, then perhaps this game might be his attempt to prove a point. Perhaps a point that Soviets are too strong in this game with 1:1 rule (or too strong in general)?
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:43 pm
by Qitbuqa
Double post.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:40 pm
by STEF78
ORIGINAL: Balou
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
This game is more shamefull for the winner than for its unfortunate opponent who looks very sportmanship and friendly.
+1.
+1
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:10 pm
by RedLancer
Please don't turn this thread into a witch hunt no matter how one sided the game is.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:25 pm
by EwaldvonKleist
This game is completely unbalanced and Model is either a veteran player or a very very smart beginner who has read a lot of AARs.
Placing the HQs in this way borders on gameyness but on the other hand it makes no sense that soviet units flee west so its +-0 for me.
The AAR really interesting because it shows what is possible with the Soviets and I hope it will continues (I am interested in the current OOB by the way) for my entertainment
Imo the problem is: Some players are looking for a relaxed or historical plausible game, others like the intellectual challenge of squeezing everything out of the ressources.
The first fraction calls the latter "exploiters" and "unfair". The second fraction, on the other hand, complains about players who have "no clue how things are working".
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:30 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
This game is completely unbalanced and Model is either a veteran player or a very very smart beginner who has read a lot of AARs.
Placing the HQs in this way borders on gameyness but on the other hand it makes no sense that soviet units flee west so its +-0 for me.
The AAR really interesting because it shows what is possible with the Soviets and I hope it will continues (I am interested in the current OOB by the way) for my entertainment
Imo the problem is: Some players are looking for a relaxed or historical plausible game, others like the intellectual challenge of squeezing everything out of the ressources.
The first fraction calls the latter "exploiters" and "unfair". The second fraction, on the other hand, complains about players who have "no clue how things are working".
Here is OOB after Blizzard.
I am a beginner at this game for sure.
My armies are mess and I have done very little with the Russian AF. I have allot to learn.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:32 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
Actually I wonder what the game would have looked like without that +1 Soviet attack. In my other games as the soviets, Im having enormous trouble breaking through even weak regiments, and in our game, Model just sliced through divisions.
The +1 only lasts for a limited time.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:35 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
This game is completely unbalanced and Model is either a veteran player or a very very smart beginner who has read a lot of AARs.
Placing the HQs in this way borders on gameyness but on the other hand it makes no sense that soviet units flee west so its +-0 for me.
The AAR really interesting because it shows what is possible with the Soviets and I hope it will continues (I am interested in the current OOB by the way) for my entertainment
Imo the problem is: Some players are looking for a relaxed or historical plausible game, others like the intellectual challenge of squeezing everything out of the ressources.
The first fraction calls the latter "exploiters" and "unfair". The second fraction, on the other hand, complains about players who have "no clue how things are working".
Turn 56 OOB
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:39 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
Turn 60 OOB
I am tring to attack enough to keep German army from growing.
About 20-25 per turn. I have tried some breakouts, but Panzerjaeger Hoortlund has skillfully blocked each one.
The German Army is still strong where needed so I will try and keep it from growing until winter and then once rivers are frozen I hope to attack all along the front.
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:16 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
North
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:16 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
South
RE: 13 attacks 13 wins turn 11
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:17 am
by GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
KIA
