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ORIGINAL: von Jaeger
When someone is taking time to showcase the game for me, no strings, no costs, just for free, I tend to follow their rules.   

Pretty much my thoughts on the subject. [:D] At one point I made a crack that was off topic and out of line. I think I humbly watched the rest of the time rubbing my slighty red face. [:@] If the style of the AAR players grates, leaving the missives unopened is always an option... right!

Personally I appreciated the AAR as handling a key subject for Ost front Grogs...' Now that we've gotten ourselves out here on the steppes, what the hell do we do in '42'? [&:]

One must wonder, "What would the Fuhrer do" in this situation? [&o]

ORIGINAL: knilli

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

and here is the end

I love it! [:D]

just in case, this screen has already changed, so...

Why not make AAR's such as Pyledriver's read only?

I think its not fair to "have a go" on PyleDriver. He spend a lot of time for the AAR, and even when i agree to some extend that is "writing style" is different, he made a lot of people having fun following his AAR.

Keep in mind, not everybody is some kind of author and can write perfect stories and comments.
Different minds have different ways to express their ideas

If you don't like the man's style, then don't read his work.  That was a lot of work to post, and he is entitled to his own opinion of himself.  Consider it an opinion piece, but please don't complain or whine about someone else's effort.

ORIGINAL: ajds

If you don't like the man's style, then don't read his work.  That was a lot of work to post, and he is entitled to his own opinion of himself.  Consider it an opinion piece, but please don't complain or whine about someone else's effort.

I agree completely, You don't read books by authors you don't like, don't read AARS if you don't like the poster's style. AND!!! don't subject us to your complaining either.

PyleDriver is doing us all a favour, have you ever heard the phrase "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth".

If you had constructed your request in a more positive way, maybe by asking PyleDriver if he could allow some modification to his AAR style to aid understanding, your point may have come across better

Blimey....PD has admitted he is a hothead on a few occasions...so be it...I just read the AAR I've never commented on one before anyway....Its upto other testers to make an AAR and not many have come forward...at least we have one tester to read and enjoy.

My best regards to those who liked it. I stated early in my AAR that comments out of the flow (topics) of the game were like commericals in a good movie. I don't know about you but I hate them (commericals). I tried to keep it so a viewer could go back to the previous turn without having to go thru 20 other posts to find it. That was my logic...

Would it be possible for the AAR author to disable or lock the thread?  Any discussions or questions could take place in another, companion, thread.

ORIGINAL: doktor

Would it be possible for the AAR author to disable or lock the thread?  Any discussions or questions could take place in another, companion, thread.

That's an interesting concept but only Matrix guys can do that on the open forums.

Stuart,
Mate i've quietly observed the AAR's and liked your feedback on Elmo's and PD's campaigns, after working out the mechanics of the game i think you'll blitz it as well as any. I'm looking forward to your AAR and how you'll be dealing with the Leningrad/Moscow line, will you drive north from Moscow to cut of Leningrad and link with the Finns? Interested to see. Aside from this: Any thoughts on playing Soviet for this AAR?     
 
PD,
Great work on the AAR, I honestly did not think you'll take Moscow let alone 50k's beyond. You have family and a job so we do appreciate the time you've put into this, a lot of us out there who observe & enjoy without comment and I would very much like you to take up the challange again on another AAR. 
 
Laurence

My position on the matter is fairly simple:

1) There's no reason to go all partisan about a game that has not even been released yet. Debates about "yes men" are completely unnecessary, not to mention quite silly.

2) Attitude can contribute something to an AAR, but primarily when there's an AAR for the other side, as it adds perspective to how a player thinks. Attitude does not, however, belong in an AAR against the AI, for the simple reason that a victory against the AI, no matter how challenging, will more or less always be easier than a victory against a real player. A victory against the AI doesn't automatically make you a good player, so there's no need for an attitude.

3) What PyleDriver failed to understand is that AAR's for unreleased games are, aside from being a rarity, also problematic from the perspective that he and the other testers know what most screens, toggles and options do in the game, but we don't. Having a "no questions" policy simply doesn't work if the person writing the AAR keeps showing screenshots involving screens or features we've never seen before. The Q&A thread is not the "you can find answers to questions the writer of an AAR doesn't want to answer" thread, but should contain a general discussion in the shape of a question and answer session of the features of the game. It should not be the dump thread for unanswered questions from any AAR. Summarizing the point, asking people not to comment aside from comments on possible strategy, without giving any answers to questions as to how exactly the means to make that strategy work (the units, equipment and game system) function, doesn't work and can lead to irritated responses.

Laurence

Thank you for that feedback.   I so enjoyed those two AAR's, and couldn't resist posting.   Kind of broke my reserve with regard to public forums (as you may have noticed - and which some may now regret!!! [;)])

I would like to do an AAR from a beginners perspective, warts and all and dreadful mistakes not hidden!   I could be advised by some of the masters on this forum - ComradeP and Flavius (even though we don't always agree!) spring to mind but there's lots of well informed people here, as well as much more experienced testers (Jon - time to get your own back on all my guesses and 'tips' on your thread!!).   If people give me a hard time, let's see how I react!   

Maybe Road to Leningrad would be a good one to rehearse but I'll need to check with OKH!  

As for the Russian viewpoint, that will be later for me...

Stuart

I could be advised by some of the masters on this forum - ComradeP and Flavius (even though we don't always agree!) spring to mind but there's lots of well informed people here

Although I'm flattered by the compliment, it would not be honest to say that I'm a master of anything, including debates this forum. With regards to those debates, I'm mostly a guy with a bookcase full of books about various wars or warfare in general (that's probably something I share with many of you) and a reasonable skill in finding the information I need when someone asks for it or if a specific date and time needs to be found for something. If I would only be able to read English language publications, my knowledge of Axis equipment and units would be far more limited than it is now.

There are a lot of informed people from a fair number of countries on these forums, people with different perspectives on the war and the ability to dive into different archives or at least find information in languages other than English, which in the case of the War in the East can be crucial.

ORIGINAL: von Jaeger

I would like to do an AAR from a beginners perspective, warts and all and dreadful mistakes not hidden!   I could be advised by some of the masters on this forum - ComradeP and Flavius (even though we don't always agree!) spring to mind but there's lots of well informed people here, as well as much more experienced testers (Jon - time to get your own back on all my guesses and 'tips' on your thread!!).   If people give me a hard time, let's see how I react!   

Maybe Road to Leningrad would be a good one to rehearse but I'll need to check with OKH!  

As for the Russian viewpoint, that will be later for me...

Stuart

Yes please....would love to see that

ComradeP  - who cares about honesty!   [;)]  

Actually, Pieter, I really do value both the challenge and the historical accuracy that you (and others) bring to the forum - you also don't insist on things, which I really like.

And patience, Wodin (it's not often you get to say that to the god of war!) - I am still very busy at work and need to get a bit better at the mechanics, I think - maybe another run through Road to Minsk.

Stuart