Matrix Games Forums

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

Yes, I do.
We are not supposed to go down statistical rabbit holes but, you may want to study previous pandemics and their deaths based on a percentage of the population?

And, maybe dying in a car accident might not be included, there is plenty of evidence to state that those dying of the regular flu, which averages 60,000 per year, is being included.

I'm not here to fight you. I stated an opinion based on facts. You don't like the opinion then close your eyes.
Am I happy that so many have died and are dying the answer is no. Do I see the steps taken in reaction to what is happening as way overblown the answer is yes.

People die. That just is a simple fact of life. I chose not to end my life over the flu. Pandemic or otherwise. But, that may just be too much for you to understand?

RR

So much ignorance in this thread. Maybe people should pay attention to the science, and listen to the Scientists and Doctors instead of facebook.

ORIGINAL: Garfieldthecat

So much ignorance in this thread. Maybe people should pay attention to the science, and listen to the Scientists and Doctors instead of facebook.

+100000000000

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: Garfieldthecat

So much ignorance in this thread. Maybe people should pay attention to the science, and listen to the Scientists and Doctors instead of facebook.

+100000000000

this.

what's most astounding to be is not the sheer staggering levels of self-justifying idiocy on display here, with an overwhelmingly-predictable underlying political motivation, but that the Matrix admin/mods have left this open for so long for people to proudly and brazenly display their utter scientific incompetence as a badge of honor for their side of the culture wars.


do better, all of you

ORIGINAL: Garfieldthecat

So much ignorance in this thread. Maybe people should pay attention to the science, and listen to the Scientists and Doctors instead of facebook.

I know you posted after me and I hope it was not directed at me.
For one, I hate Facebook and never use it. So I do not get the ignorant information from there.
Second, this is the fourth pandemic that I have lived through (at least to this point).
The first three had the same effect or impact on the world as this one is doing except for the meddling of people and (for the most part) politicians.
The first three had similar percentages of deaths as this one. And, for that matter the draconian attempts to stop it or lessen the impact has not been as effective.
The hard truth is that the old and weak will die. Nothing can be done to change it. It is following all the paths of past pandemics (except maybe the Spanish Flu).
The only difference now is that people are willing to let governments shut down economies and take away the right of individuals that will eventually lead to more deaths in the future.

I had an old college professor that always said, "wake up people. Study history and don't be doomed to make it's mistakes." (Yes, I know he plagiarized.)

So,one, stop calling people ignorant. And, two, your opinion might not be the right one?

Just a thought. Do with it as you please. When people do not think like you it might be a good thing?

RR

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

The hard truth is that the old and weak will die. Nothing can be done to change it.
RR

Exactly the type of Medieval thinking that is trying to be avoided. Heaven forbid the weak and old should be cared for or about.

Yes, I will definitely take the vaccine when I can. I have a family member is a front-line worker (supermarket), and isolating from said person is not an option. I like the odds of a vaccine reaction a lot better than the odds of long-term disability or death from Covid-19. And yes, long-haul effects are real -- I have another family member who is going through them.

I am so with the people questioning the impact of the Covid-19 death toll. How many hospitalized due to "it," is questionable. But it's very difficult to fake death certificates, so I am finding it harder to try to question the 312k deaths in the U.S.

Drunk-driving crashes claim more than 10,000 lives per year here. Covid-19 is blowing that number away. However, how many of those 312k would have died in the next year of other causes, is a key stat that should become available at some point.

Two people that I know personally got it and survived in NY. They were not hospitalized, but the suffering was hell. A third died after 30 days in the hospital. His family is now bankrupt.

Meanwhile, we relocate from OH at the height of it, regularly travel by car in OH, PA, NY, NJ, MA, KY, and IL like nothing was happening. Stay in double-digit number of hotels and eat in Cracker Barrel with all the other travelers. Of course, I am not going to worry about it, because I am an idiot, and we didn't get it. The economic impact we saw before-and-after was undeniable though.

Then two rental agents in our 300+ unit apartment complex in KY get it, and it shuts the office down. Okay, they never wore masks, but "it" is getting closer.

Now I am hoping the vaccine slows things down. With my health situation, like some of you, if I get "it," I am for sure hospitalized at best and certainly broke with no medical coverage.

The suffering and death it has caused is pretty enormous, and it's about time I am facing these facts.

I have no brilliant answers to offer (wish I did).

But, through no specific deliberate choice of mine, I ended up watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles this evening, and what's truly scary, is the plot of the movie, is essentially the same as the covid conspiracy. Which is weirdly alarming.

Yes, there ARE a lot of very unnerving coincidences out there.
I'm not saying I support any of them as fact.
I don't support a lot of things.
I mean, if 10 out of 10 people are wrong about something, it's still important to remember, they are still wrong.
And you only need 1 person out of 10 to be right about something, to have a winner. Or 1 out of a 1000. Or 1 out of a million.
The thing is, facts are not decided by consensus. Facts are facts. Voting on them is not required.

The earth was actually known to be round BEFORE what we call the 'dark ages'. But sadly, we got told different information for a time.
The internet, I'm sure it was hoped the 'information age' would usher in an era of knowledge and understanding. But, it doesn't seem to have done so entirely. Unfortunately, information is 'just' information. It can be factually correct, or it can be just a lot of garbage information.

I don't rely on Google or Wiki for my 'knowledge'. I still rely on old school hard science in peer-reviewed materials and published works that had to make it past an editor and publisher. Not perfect of course. But it tends to require a lot of formal education to make it pass muster.

Here at Matrix Games, we're a significant density of historical knowledge. Most learned the old school way.
How many here have an MD qualification? How many here have an engineering degree? Anyone here actually a rocket scientist? Any molecular biologists in the house? Anyone have all 4 levels of qualification? Myself, I'm a talented painter and writer, and I've done architectural modeling. I'm great with wood working tools. I know nothing about virology. And I suck at electrician work too.

But I can smell bull a mile away

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

Yes, I will definitely take the vaccine when I can. I have a family member is a front-line worker (supermarket), and isolating from said person is not an option. I like the odds of a vaccine reaction a lot better than the odds of long-term disability or death from Covid-19. And yes, long-haul effects are real -- I have another family member who is going through them.

I'm going to take it as soon as it's available. I know I won't survive it with my health problems. This isn't a hoax, it's real. As real as the Spanish Flu.

ORIGINAL: bayonetbrant

what's most astounding to be is not the sheer staggering levels of self-justifying idiocy on display here, with an overwhelmingly-predictable underlying political motivation, but that the Matrix admin/mods have left this open for so long for people to proudly and brazenly display their utter scientific incompetence as a badge of honor for their side of the culture wars.


do better, all of you

Look in the mirror when you state that.

Look up the 1957–1958 Asian flu pandemic and the Hong Kong flu, also known as the 1968 flu pandemic. See what happened there and what the people, businesses, and governmental entities did. Check the infectious rates and the death rates. There was no panic, no hoarding, et cetera.

I read where half the population in the UK may have an immunity to the COVID-19 virus due to infection from a previous corona virus. Others have an immunity of some sort for other reasons. See what you need to do to keep your immune system working like it should without going into the panic mode. That is probably the best thing that you can do to prevent getting it and if you do get it, to minimize the effects.

I intend to take the vaccine...........but I will approach it carefully. My situation allows me to comfortably wait a month or so to see what the general response to the vaccine will be before deciding as to whether I will take it. My hope is that it will be the silver bullet everyone is waiting for.

I do understand those who feel there is a bit of a disconnect between what they hear about the virus, and what they experience first hand. For instance, up to today, no one I knew had known anyone who had the virus or who had died from it. Earlier I had a call from a friend in Europe who nervously told me about 4 Seniors on their street who succumbed to the virus last week.

In my view the best plan is to be as cautious and sensible as personnel circumstances allow you to be.

The reaction is overblown. This is just a fact. It's sad for the people who died and their families. No one contradicts that. But they estimated 606,000 people died from cancer in 2020 and I don't see us ruining our economy for that. And 315,000 is less than 0.1% of our population. Yes, if it is one of your family members or a friend or yourself, stats mean nothing, but the world drives off of stats.

And I'm sure someone will say that cancer for some people is a lot harder to avoid than Covid, but Covid is a virus. We try and avoid the cold and the flu every year but most of us still get a cold and a significant amount still get the flu. Hell, I got the flu shot and still either got the flu or got Covid in February 2020.

And sure. This thread will be locked pretty soon.

Cancer is not considered a communicable or contagious disease. See, this is one of those disinformation pieces that have zero to do with a highly contagious diseases. That's like saying X number of people die in car crashes but they don't shut down the economy because of it. [:D]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

Cancer is not considered a communicable or contagious disease. See, this is one of those disinformation pieces that have zero to do with a highly contagious diseases. That's like saying X number of people die in car crashes but they don't shut down the economy because of it. [:D]

There you are incorrect. [:-] Cancer can be a communicable disease.[:(]

So therefore, you are part of the disinformation. How many people have had their cancer treatments delayed or stopped because of COVID-19? How about other diseases as well? If those who died because of that are factored into the excess death rate due to COVID-19, then those may be referred to COVID-19 deaths when the individuals affected may never have had COVID-19.

Interesting reading:

Stomach Acid & Heartburn Drugs Linked with COVID-19 Outcomes

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... omes-68026

and

Key Genes Related to Severe COVID-19 Infection Identified

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... fied-68276

Knowing the key genes, being able to test for them, then adjusting the treatment may make all of the difference needed for some.

Also, don't believe everything that you read even in a respected journal:


The Top Retractions of 2020
The Retraction Watch team takes a look at the most important publishing mistakes this year.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... 2020-68284

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lobster

Cancer is not considered a communicable or contagious disease. See, this is one of those disinformation pieces that have zero to do with a highly contagious diseases. That's like saying X number of people die in car crashes but they don't shut down the economy because of it. [:D]

There you are incorrect. [:-] Cancer can be a communicable disease.[:(]
...

What is your source, RJ? The American Cancer Society says cancer is not contagious. Please read https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-ba ... gious.html

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Recently a Vaccine for Covid-19 has been released on the public. It is interesting to witness the two sides of the issue, 'will take' or 'will not take'. Not the political or freedom aspect, but from the health aspect I am curious what others think.

warspite1

If there is a vaccine and its had all the necessary and required sign-offs from the safety point of view then yes, of course I would have the vaccine. Same as I've had all the other vaccines I've been recommended to have during the course of my life. I (or in most cases my parents) did not say no to the those so I am not about to start saying no now, and frankly I don't understand why anyone wouldn't get the vaccine. But that's my personal opinion and each to their own.

Strange times when support for science needs to be stated as a personal opinion.And then typing that I understand why you would say that, even in a well-moderated public forum.

For what it is worth, I 100% share your opinion.