COVID 19 - What do you know?

[sPzAbt653]

I miss the exchange of information that we used to have here. We have a valuable asset in many of our forumites that have relevant things to say. I particularly enjoyed the reports from Italy, S. Korea and Spain, to mention some that took their own time to keep us up on developments and life in their countries. In the past, Covid threads have been closed due to political statements. I know many want to blame the situation on Red or Blue, but lets keep that part out of it so that Matrix can allow us to participate in some very useful exchanges of information. Please avoid quackery and stick to data/articles with references. Please, no charts on Positivity Rates, they are a waste of our time and space. Please [8D]
We know there a some here that have nothing intelligent to say, so please just ignore them rather than engage in pointless copying and recopying of all their pointless bickering banter to no end. Again - I beg you [8D] , and thanks for your participation during these 'trying times' [:)]

[sPzAbt653]

Recently a Vaccine for Covid-19 has been released on the public. It is interesting to witness the two sides of the issue, 'will take' or 'will not take'. Not the political or freedom aspect, but from the health aspect I am curious what others think.

[sPzAbt653]

I myself am not very interested in getting a vaccine. The proof of Effectiveness vs Side Effects is not encouraging to me. I'd rather stick with 'normal' solutions such as Vitamins and yes, Chicken Soup! Vitamin D, for example. Here is an hour long video chock-a-block full of data, studies and sources:

Vitamin D and COVID 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

[sPzAbt653]

If you are not already taking a Vitamin D supplement, while I am not a doctor I suggest that you consider taking one. Even if you don't believe in it for yourself, at least for the possibility of reducing the strain on hospitals that we are currently experiencing around the world. 'Take a Vitamin, Save a Bed'. Of course, always consult your doctor before taking anything [;)]

[sPzAbt653]

Pictured is an interesting tidbit. And I have violated my own request for Sourced Info only by accidentally cropping out the Source! Sorry about that. But I think it was the same article as the previous post.
For the local report, here in my area [Maryland, USA] they have recently introduced stricter public measures. For example, 25% occupancy for businesses, restaurants are only open for carry-out or curbside pick-up and must close by 10 p.m., and bars that are not restaurants are straight up closed [:(]

[Aurelian]

Moderna's vaccine is now approved.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Recently a Vaccine for Covid-19 has been released on the public. It is interesting to witness the two sides of the issue, 'will take' or 'will not take'. Not the political or freedom aspect, but from the health aspect I am curious what others think.

warspite1

If there is a vaccine and its had all the necessary and required sign-offs from the safety point of view then yes, of course I would have the vaccine. Same as I've had all the other vaccines I've been recommended to have during the course of my life. I (or in most cases my parents) did not say no to the those so I am not about to start saying no now, and frankly I don't understand why anyone wouldn't get the vaccine. But that's my personal opinion and each to their own.

[TulliusDetritus]

Yes, I will be getting the vaccine. That or the Russian roulette: asymptomatic, mild case, 3 or 5 months stranded on an ICU or cemetery.

No thanks.

[RangerJoe]

I believe that the vaccines are still in the testing stage and this is the final test. There have been reports of allergic reactions after 10 minutes or so, so be aware of that and wait at least 20 minutes after being shot before you leave the place with emergency services available. There is no stated reason why, as other vaccinations ask about allergies to eggs but I don't know about these. I would not get the shot if emergency services were not available there. At least one person has been hospitalized due to the reaction from the Pfizer vaccine.

[pzgndr]

I find it interesting that we supposedly know enough about the pathology of this virus to develop vaccines, but we still do not know enough to develop effective treatments. Very odd.

[RangerJoe]

Different people react differently. Some require no treatment at all and may not even realize that they have had it while others die. The initial ventilator treatment for the most serious cases also caused problems when, for most of them anyway, supplemental oxygen would have been sufficient.

[MrRoadrunner]

Well, I am not going to take the vaccine. Last flu vaccine I took almost killed me.

I already take Vitamin D, roughly 5k IU a day. It is great also if you have allergies. It boosts the immune system.
I have been drinking Tonic (Quinine) and Tart Cherry Juice (needed something to put the vodka in) both have good immune properties. I also take Zyrtec for allergies which does not hurt at all.

I am in the high risk category but have worked in and around the general public since this all started. One friend was tested and was positive. He said his experience was of a mild flu and did quarantine himself for the required fourteen days.

I've lived through the previous "pandemics" that were never as restrictive as this. At the risk of getting angry comments, I believe this is one of the most "over blown" things I have ever seen.

RR

[Zorch]

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

If someone has tested positive for Covid-19 and was run over by a truck then died, that would still be called a Covid-19 death by the CDC.

It has been documented that for the Covid-19 patients who are hospitalized, the hospitals were compensated three times as much than as for a regular patient. So the financial incentive is there to label as many hospitalized patients Covid-19 patients.

So how many people died because they did not receive the treatment that as needed? How many people now have severe health issues that they have to live with that could have been avoided?

I have been hospitalized in isolation. It was not fun for me nor fun for the staff who had to gown up completely along with a cap, mask, and slippers to see me so no one stepped in just to say "Hello, how are you doing today?"

I could probably design a fan/filter system to destroy this Covid-19 in the air.

[MrsWargamer]

Due to the combination of my actual lifestyle and living in a reasonably small rural town, I have almost no experience of covid to actually work with.

I'm on a pension, so my finances are 'stable'.
I don't 'need' to go out, so 'lockdown' has a limited impact on me.
I don't have small children, so I am not stuck at home with them.
I'm used to being forced to be very strategic with my money, so I don't really have much to say about the lack of partying, travel, or recreational activities.

I wear a mask, mainly because it hardly really annoys me.
I will likely get the vaccine, but, I'm ok being the last in line.

I don't know anyone who has died, at all, for any reasons.
I don't know anyone that has tested positive.
I have a sister in law nurse and a local friend that works in daycare and one that works with seniors.
Covid is very real to them.

But so far, covid has only been the dominant news item trending on YouTube to me.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

If someone has tested positive for Covid-19 and was run over by a truck then died, that would still be called a Covid-19 death by the CDC.

It has been documented that for the Covid-19 patients who are hospitalized, the hospitals were compensated three times as much than as for a regular patient. So the financial incentive is there to label as many hospitalized patients Covid-19 patients.

That's been debunked. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 000638001/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medic ... -patients/

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

If someone has tested positive for Covid-19 and was run over by a truck then died, that would still be called a Covid-19 death by the CDC.

...

I could probably design a fan/filter system to destroy this Covid-19 in the air.

99.99% of the 315K who died from Covid-19 were not hit by cars. Covid-19 can (and does) aggravate existing conditions and cause people to die who otherwise would not have. This is normal practice in disease statistics. It would be wrong not to count them as Covid fatalities because they wouldn't have died without Covid-19.

I'm amazed by the combination of ignorance and arrogance in your last sentence. Or were you joking?

This thread is 2 posts from being locked, like previous Covid-19 threads...

[Lobster]

OMG. [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

If someone has tested positive for Covid-19 and was run over by a truck then died, that would still be called a Covid-19 death by the CDC.

...

I could probably design a fan/filter system to destroy this Covid-19 in the air.

99.99% of the 315K who died from Covid-19 were not hit by cars. Covid-19 can (and does) aggravate existing conditions and cause people to die who otherwise would not have. This is normal practice in disease statistics. It would be wrong not to count them as Covid fatalities because they wouldn't have died without Covid-19.

I'm amazed by the combination of ignorance and arrogance in your last sentence. Or were you joking?

This thread is 2 posts from being locked, like previous Covid-19 threads...

Why do you want to lock threads? [&:] Or are you using this to stifle and thus curtail discussions about items that you do not like? [&:] Are you a censor? [&:]

Shall I post a picture of my right foot after every post of yours? [:'(]

How is my last sentence a combination of ignorance and arrogance? If you know something that I don't, state it. I am referring to knowledge that has been posted on the forums before.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The USA has 315K dead from Covid-19. You call that 'over blown'?

If someone has tested positive for Covid-19 and was run over by a truck then died, that would still be called a Covid-19 death by the CDC.

It has been documented that for the Covid-19 patients who are hospitalized, the hospitals were compensated three times as much than as for a regular patient. So the financial incentive is there to label as many hospitalized patients Covid-19 patients.

That's been debunked. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 000638001/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medic ... -patients/

I distrust any fact check organization that has been paid by someone or something with/for an obvious political agenda.

I would rather trust a medical doctor (yes, he is in a state Senate as well) than someone who does not work in a hospital.

Jensen landed in the national spotlight after raising concerns that federal guidance could cause doctors to overcount COVID-19 cases and saying that there’s a financial incentive to inflating the numbers.

Senate Republican Majority Leader Paul Gazelka said Monday he supports Jensen, asserting in a prepared statement that the doctor “has proven to be right.” Gazelka, of East Gull Lake, noted a USA Today article verifying that hospitals get more money if Medicare patients are diagnosed with COVID-19 and on ventilators.

https://www.startribune.com/sen-scott-j ... 571650782/